TV Ministries

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by edjen01

doesn't the Holy Spirit draw us? if we are won by men...then I would think you'd be in favor of T.V. . idk.

Listen, Televangelists have been on the airwaves since the fifties, all different denominations and flavors. While the United Pentecostal Church International may not of used television there were other Apostolics who were on television (from what some have told me), therefore no one can say truth was never offered, and yet we never seen great gains made by television. With television we have a negative against Televangelism in this country. People have a major distrust of Televangelism, and it is the brunt of mockery. From the two fornicating Jimmies to homosexual in the closet Tedd Haggard, the public has been let down.

Originally Posted by edjen01

Regarding EM...if you don't like what he looks like then don't watch...but describing his appearance as "dirty" and "greasy"...grow up.

No, you grow up! Stop defending a man who isn't even close to preaching anything even remote to the Truth. I wasn't raised in Apostolic Pentecost, and had the luxury of hearing Apostolic One God Truth preached. I came out of the world, and know hippy philosophy when I hear it. Is that where you are headed? Does Erwin Raphael McManus' philosophical postmodern mantra mesmerize you? Are you taken away by his retro 1960s coffee house flair?
Sounds like you haven't been in a Holy Ghost service for a while.

Originally Posted by edjen01

btw...he isn't even close to being the most watched preacher in America on a given weekend. but i'm sure you will find fault with their appearances, methods, messages, etc... .

Erwin McManus, reads like the Swami Vivekananda. No, kidding, read some of his material it reminds me of the Swami Vivekananda. Every person being called to an awakening to who they are? How about Jesus is trying to awaken us to who He is. Erwin's dirty feet are to blend him into our confused culture, but his message dates back to the Hindu Vedic writings.

Be careful what well you drink from, it might be full of wigglers.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Listen, Televangelists have been on the airwaves since the fifties, all different denominations and flavors. While the United Pentecostal Church International may not of used television there were other Apostolics who were on television (from what some have told me), therefore no one can say truth was never offered, and yet we never seen great gains made by television. With television we have a negative against Televangelism in this country. People have a major distrust of Televangelism, and it is the brunt of mockery. From the two fornicating Jimmies to homosexual in the closet Tedd Haggard, the public has been let down.



No, you grow up! Stop defending a man who isn't even close to preaching anything even remote to the Truth. I wasn't raised in Apostolic Pentecost, and had the luxury of hearing Apostolic One God Truth preached. I came out of the world, and know hippy philosophy when I hear it. Is that where you are headed? Does Erwin Raphael McManus' philosophical postmodern mantra mesmerize you? Are you taken away by his retro 1960s coffee house flair?
Sounds like you haven't been in a Holy Ghost service for a while.



Erwin McManus, reads like the Swami Vivekananda. No, kidding, read some of his material it reminds me of the Swami Vivekananda. Every person being called to an awakening to who they are? How about Jesus is trying to awaken us to who He is. Erwin's dirty feet are to blend him into our confused culture, but his message dates back to the Hindu Vedic writings.

Be careful what well you drink from, it might be full of wigglers.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

He does not need me to defend him...his ministry speaks for itself. I do know that he preaches Jesus...and i believe Jesus is the truth. I know that he preaches and practices...feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, helping the poor...and i do think those are elements of true religion.

regarding fornicating preachers and the homosexual closet....do you think that simply because the UPCI is not on tv that it has avoided these? they are alive and well...not because of tv...but because we fallen creatures. As for mockery...you honestly believe the world doesn't mock belief systems that preach & propagate a message that says a woman's hair length, going to a bowling ally, wearing the color red, playing checkers, wearing shorts(any length), etc...and that these things have eternal weight that could prevent a person from having a relationship with their loving Creator? That my friend gets mocked just as much as Tammy Fay and her fake tears.

As for Hindu Vedic's...since some of these were written before our cannon was...and many N.T. writers speak of personal abandonment and the letting go of worldly things for a greater cause...how do you know they were not influenced by these writings? I believe even St.Paul quoted the Sages and poets.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by edjen01

He does not need me to defend him...his ministry speaks for itself. I do know that he preaches Jesus...and i believe Jesus is the truth. I know that he preaches and practices...feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, helping the poor...and i do think those are elements of true religion.

Sri Ramakrishna, the guru of the swami Vivekanada, preached Jesus, and when the swami Vivekanada came to America in 1893 to attend the Parliament of World religions in Chicago, the swami Vivekanada spoke about Jesus Christ. Sri Ramakrishna taught that God was one yet as a big body of water is one, but had different tributaries from which people drew water, so was the One God. People draw water from one source, yet call the water by different names, so it is with God. The Apostle Paul warned of another Jesus, another spirit, and another Gospel. Mohammad, spoke about a Jesus that the Muslims hold in high regard, and yet he is not "the" Jesus.
Jehovah Witnesses, teach a Jesus who is an archangel who was sacrificed, and the LDS, teaches a Jesus who was born from a god who was once a man like you and I. All go by the name of Jesus, but have different messages, which lead to different outcomes for those who follow them. Clothe and feed the poor? Everyone from Muslims, to Buddhists, and Rabbinical Jews do good deeds, but their messages lead to eternal punishment.

Originally Posted by edjen01

regarding fornicating preachers and the homosexual closet....do you think that simply because the UPCI is not on tv that it has avoided these?

Every teacher, preacher or rabbi has fallen into some sort of stupidity, from the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, to the Rabbis arrested in N.J. sting. Yet, Osho, and the Rabbis don't corner the market on being thought of as perverts and crooks. Reason being, they didn't have their own television shows. There are Rabbis who have been arrested for all manner of crimes as the same with the gurus and swamis. Yet, you as the man on the street never really hear about them. In other words, since we had given these televangelists a license to kill on the airwaves we reap the harvest of mockery. You see Ed, John Q Citizen didn't grow up in a United Pentecostal Church, and therefore can't tell the difference from the two fornicating Jimmies, from a One God Pentecostal on the blue screen. They have no idea what is right or wrong. If it wasn't such a Biblical issue scripturally, then Paul wasted his time writing out 2nd Corinthians 11:1-33. The apostle defended his churches against those who preached another Jesus and another Gospel. Paul wasn't trying to make the Body of Christ user friendly and a grotesque postmodern monster. He was trying to show the strait and narrow way.

Originally Posted by edjen01

they are alive and well...not because of tv...but because we fallen creatures. As for mockery...you honestly believe the world doesn't mock belief systems that preach & propagate a message that says a woman's hair length, going to a bowling ally, wearing the color red, playing checkers, wearing shorts(any length), etc...and that these things have eternal weight that could prevent a person from having a relationship with their loving Creator?

Down here we have full blown sinners who want me to get them "Kill Your Television" bumper stickers. They fall out when I tell them that Christians fight me like wolves to defend television, and not cutting the hair of my daughters. The transvestites, and transgenders down here see the symbol of a dress and long hair, yet the ones I have spoken with are amazed that we Christians fight over these truths. You see Ed, these people weren't raised United Pentecostal, most weren't even raised in a religious home. They come from the most populated places in America, the inner cities. The inner cities where people need a real change from the televangelist garbage on the screen. You see, what they deal with every day is different from colgate smiles and baby soft hands of Joel Olsteen. Joel, and the rest of the t.v. preachers don't know what the people are going through or dealing with. Most of the people in the cities are dealing with new age, eastern philosophy, and microwavable mega church. For the most part the young people want militant faith. We are experiencing a lot of young men and women going into Islam, if you gave them your list of dos and don’ts, they would turn around and ask you what is your problem. We have a large group of Rastafarians down here who don't cut their hair, shave, and the women never have their dreads exposed or wear pants. They wear long sleeves, and no jewelry.
Our Hasidic Jews follow also the same pattern, of outer dress, long sleeves, no jewelry, women cover their heads, and wear ankle length dresses. In their homes they have no televisions. Ed, sinners and people of the world expect religious people to look and act spiritual. What shocks them is when you act and look they do.

Originally Posted by edjen01

That my friend gets mocked just as much as Tammy Fay and her fake tears.

The difference is Ed, John Q, expects godly looking sisters, and men. But it was Tammy's hysterical antics, and her colgate smiling husband's flamboyant spendings that blew John Q Public away. By the time they got to see Jimbo, crying and being dragged away in cuffs, old John Q was really flipping and tripping.

I have traveled all over America, and spent time talking to the man in the street. They want something real, and if they were to dedicate their lives to a religion, they wouldn't be spending most their time trying to figure out how to find loopholes, to adapt to their secular life.

I guess that job is for those disgruntles who were raised in the religion?

Originally Posted by edjen01

As for Hindu Vedic's...since some of these were written before our cannon was...and many N.T. writers speak of personal abandonment and the letting go of worldly things for a greater cause...how do you know they were not influenced by these writings? I believe even St.Paul quoted the Sages and poets.

I'm more than happy for you to show us how the Vedic writings of the Gita, compare to the teachings of the Gospel.

Paul didn't quote Aratus to align himself with the Greek poet. Paul was telling those on the Areopagus that they were too superstitious, and through ignorance they worship deities. Paul quotes Aratus to show how much they were in false worship. Paul was at no time trying to quote the Phaenomena to align Jesus Christ with Zeus and how man is his physical offspring.

Ed, I'm very interested to see how Krishna and Arjuna in the Gita were plagiarized by Jesus and His apostles.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sri Ramakrishna, the guru of the swami Vivekanada, preached Jesus, and when the swami Vivekanada came to America in 1893 to attend the Parliament of World religions in Chicago, the swami Vivekanada spoke about Jesus Christ. Sri Ramakrishna taught that God was one yet as a big body of water is one, but had different tributaries from which people drew water, so was the One God. People draw water from one source, yet call the water by different names, so it is with God. The Apostle Paul warned of another Jesus, another spirit, and another Gospel. Mohammad, spoke about a Jesus that the Muslims hold in high regard, and yet he is not "the" Jesus.
Jehovah Witnesses, teach a Jesus who is an archangel who was sacrificed, and the LDS, teaches a Jesus who was born from a god who was once a man like you and I. All go by the name of Jesus, but have different messages, which lead to different outcomes for those who follow them. Clothe and feed the poor? Everyone from Muslims, to Buddhists, and Rabbinical Jews do good deeds, but their messages lead to eternal punishment.



Every teacher, preacher or rabbi has fallen into some sort of stupidity, from the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, to the Rabbis arrested in N.J. sting. Yet, Osho, and the Rabbis don't corner the market on being thought of as perverts and crooks. Reason being, they didn't have their own television shows. There are Rabbis who have been arrested for all manner of crimes as the same with the gurus and swamis. Yet, you as the man on the street never really hear about them. In other words, since we had given these televangelists a license to kill on the airwaves we reap the harvest of mockery. You see Ed, John Q Citizen didn't grow up in a United Pentecostal Church, and therefore can't tell the difference from the two fornicating Jimmies, from a One God Pentecostal on the blue screen. They have no idea what is right or wrong. If it wasn't such a Biblical issue scripturally, then Paul wasted his time writing out 2nd Corinthians 11:1-33. The apostle defended his churches against those who preached another Jesus and another Gospel. Paul wasn't trying to make the Body of Christ user friendly and a grotesque postmodern monster. He was trying to show the strait and narrow way.




Down here we have full blown sinners who want me to get them "Kill Your Television" bumper stickers. They fall out when I tell them that Christians fight me like wolves to defend television, and not cutting the hair of my daughters. The transvestites, and transgenders down here see the symbol of a dress and long hair, yet the ones I have spoken with are amazed that we Christians fight over these truths. You see Ed, these people weren't raised United Pentecostal, most weren't even raised in a religious home. They come from the most populated places in America, the inner cities. The inner cities where people need a real change from the televangelist garbage on the screen. You see, what they deal with every day is different from colgate smiles and baby soft hands of Joel Olsteen. Joel, and the rest of the t.v. preachers don't know what the people are going through or dealing with. Most of the people in the cities are dealing with new age, eastern philosophy, and microwavable mega church. For the most part the young people want militant faith. We are experiencing a lot of young men and women going into Islam, if you gave them your list of dos and don’ts, they would turn around and ask you what is your problem. We have a large group of Rastafarians down here who don't cut their hair, shave, and the women never have their dreads exposed or wear pants. They wear long sleeves, and no jewelry.
Our Hasidic Jews follow also the same pattern, of outer dress, long sleeves, no jewelry, women cover their heads, and wear ankle length dresses. In their homes they have no televisions. Ed, sinners and people of the world expect religious people to look and act spiritual. What shocks them is when you act and look they do.



The difference is Ed, John Q, expects godly looking sisters, and men. But it was Tammy's hysterical antics, and her colgate smiling husband's flamboyant spendings that blew John Q Public away. By the time they got to see Jimbo, crying and being dragged away in cuffs, old John Q was really flipping and tripping.

I have traveled all over America, and spent time talking to the man in the street. They want something real, and if they were to dedicate their lives to a religion, they wouldn't be spending most their time trying to figure out how to find loopholes, to adapt to their secular life.

I guess that job is for those disgruntles who were raised in the religion?



I'm more than happy for you to show us how the Vedic writings of the Gita, compare to the teachings of the Gospel.

Paul didn't quote Aratus to align himself with the Greek poet. Paul was telling those on the Areopagus that they were too superstitious, and through ignorance they worship deities. Paul quotes Aratus to show how much they were in false worship. Paul was at no time trying to quote the Phaenomena to align Jesus Christ with Zeus and how man is his physical offspring.

Ed, I'm very interested to see how Krishna and Arjuna in the Gita were plagiarized by Jesus and His apostles.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

bump for Brother Ed

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sri Ramakrishna, the guru of the swami Vivekanada, preached Jesus, and when the swami Vivekanada came to America in 1893 to attend the Parliament of World religions in Chicago, the swami Vivekanada spoke about Jesus Christ. Sri Ramakrishna taught that God was one yet as a big body of water is one, but had different tributaries from which people drew water, so was the One God. People draw water from one source, yet call the water by different names, so it is with God. The Apostle Paul warned of another Jesus, another spirit, and another Gospel. Mohammad, spoke about a Jesus that the Muslims hold in high regard, and yet he is not "the" Jesus.
Jehovah Witnesses, teach a Jesus who is an archangel who was sacrificed, and the LDS, teaches a Jesus who was born from a god who was once a man like you and I. All go by the name of Jesus, but have different messages, which lead to different outcomes for those who follow them. Clothe and feed the poor? Everyone from Muslims, to Buddhists, and Rabbinical Jews do good deeds, but their messages lead to eternal punishment.



Every teacher, preacher or rabbi has fallen into some sort of stupidity, from the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, to the Rabbis arrested in N.J. sting. Yet, Osho, and the Rabbis don't corner the market on being thought of as perverts and crooks. Reason being, they didn't have their own television shows. There are Rabbis who have been arrested for all manner of crimes as the same with the gurus and swamis. Yet, you as the man on the street never really hear about them. In other words, since we had given these televangelists a license to kill on the airwaves we reap the harvest of mockery. You see Ed, John Q Citizen didn't grow up in a United Pentecostal Church, and therefore can't tell the difference from the two fornicating Jimmies, from a One God Pentecostal on the blue screen. They have no idea what is right or wrong. If it wasn't such a Biblical issue scripturally, then Paul wasted his time writing out 2nd Corinthians 11:1-33. The apostle defended his churches against those who preached another Jesus and another Gospel. Paul wasn't trying to make the Body of Christ user friendly and a grotesque postmodern monster. He was trying to show the strait and narrow way.




Down here we have full blown sinners who want me to get them "Kill Your Television" bumper stickers. They fall out when I tell them that Christians fight me like wolves to defend television, and not cutting the hair of my daughters. The transvestites, and transgenders down here see the symbol of a dress and long hair, yet the ones I have spoken with are amazed that we Christians fight over these truths. You see Ed, these people weren't raised United Pentecostal, most weren't even raised in a religious home. They come from the most populated places in America, the inner cities. The inner cities where people need a real change from the televangelist garbage on the screen. You see, what they deal with every day is different from colgate smiles and baby soft hands of Joel Olsteen. Joel, and the rest of the t.v. preachers don't know what the people are going through or dealing with. Most of the people in the cities are dealing with new age, eastern philosophy, and microwavable mega church. For the most part the young people want militant faith. We are experiencing a lot of young men and women going into Islam, if you gave them your list of dos and don’ts, they would turn around and ask you what is your problem. We have a large group of Rastafarians down here who don't cut their hair, shave, and the women never have their dreads exposed or wear pants. They wear long sleeves, and no jewelry.
Our Hasidic Jews follow also the same pattern, of outer dress, long sleeves, no jewelry, women cover their heads, and wear ankle length dresses. In their homes they have no televisions. Ed, sinners and people of the world expect religious people to look and act spiritual. What shocks them is when you act and look they do.



The difference is Ed, John Q, expects godly looking sisters, and men. But it was Tammy's hysterical antics, and her colgate smiling husband's flamboyant spendings that blew John Q Public away. By the time they got to see Jimbo, crying and being dragged away in cuffs, old John Q was really flipping and tripping.

I have traveled all over America, and spent time talking to the man in the street. They want something real, and if they were to dedicate their lives to a religion, they wouldn't be spending most their time trying to figure out how to find loopholes, to adapt to their secular life.

I guess that job is for those disgruntles who were raised in the religion?



I'm more than happy for you to show us how the Vedic writings of the Gita, compare to the teachings of the Gospel.

Paul didn't quote Aratus to align himself with the Greek poet. Paul was telling those on the Areopagus that they were too superstitious, and through ignorance they worship deities. Paul quotes Aratus to show how much they were in false worship. Paul was at no time trying to quote the Phaenomena to align Jesus Christ with Zeus and how man is his physical offspring.

Ed, I'm very interested to see how Krishna and Arjuna in the Gita were plagiarized by Jesus and His apostles.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Bump for Edward

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bump for Edward

"In him we live move and have our beings."

Was that used to attack the folks at Mars Hill or to relate with them?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

"In him we live move and have our beings."

Was that used to attack the folks at Mars Hill or to relate with them?

What are you trying to say?

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What are you trying to say?

EB, I wasn't trying to be esoteric or to speak with a hidden message. I was interacting with your point about Paul at Mars Hill and his use of the poets.

Paul didn't just use the poets to make fun of them and attack them, he used them to help explain to them Jesus Christ. Instead of launching into a tirade about their false gods, he used their own poets, and theology of Zeus to explain this Living Christ.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sri Ramakrishna, the guru of the swami Vivekanada, preached Jesus, and when the swami Vivekanada came to America in 1893 to attend the Parliament of World religions in Chicago, the swami Vivekanada spoke about Jesus Christ. Sri Ramakrishna taught that God was one yet as a big body of water is one, but had different tributaries from which people drew water, so was the One God. People draw water from one source, yet call the water by different names, so it is with God. The Apostle Paul warned of another Jesus, another spirit, and another Gospel. Mohammad, spoke about a Jesus that the Muslims hold in high regard, and yet he is not "the" Jesus.
Jehovah Witnesses, teach a Jesus who is an archangel who was sacrificed, and the LDS, teaches a Jesus who was born from a god who was once a man like you and I. All go by the name of Jesus, but have different messages, which lead to different outcomes for those who follow them. Clothe and feed the poor? Everyone from Muslims, to Buddhists, and Rabbinical Jews do good deeds, but their messages lead to eternal punishment.



Every teacher, preacher or rabbi has fallen into some sort of stupidity, from the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, to the Rabbis arrested in N.J. sting. Yet, Osho, and the Rabbis don't corner the market on being thought of as perverts and crooks. Reason being, they didn't have their own television shows. There are Rabbis who have been arrested for all manner of crimes as the same with the gurus and swamis. Yet, you as the man on the street never really hear about them. In other words, since we had given these televangelists a license to kill on the airwaves we reap the harvest of mockery. You see Ed, John Q Citizen didn't grow up in a United Pentecostal Church, and therefore can't tell the difference from the two fornicating Jimmies, from a One God Pentecostal on the blue screen. They have no idea what is right or wrong. If it wasn't such a Biblical issue scripturally, then Paul wasted his time writing out 2nd Corinthians 11:1-33. The apostle defended his churches against those who preached another Jesus and another Gospel. Paul wasn't trying to make the Body of Christ user friendly and a grotesque postmodern monster. He was trying to show the strait and narrow way.




Down here we have full blown sinners who want me to get them "Kill Your Television" bumper stickers. They fall out when I tell them that Christians fight me like wolves to defend television, and not cutting the hair of my daughters. The transvestites, and transgenders down here see the symbol of a dress and long hair, yet the ones I have spoken with are amazed that we Christians fight over these truths. You see Ed, these people weren't raised United Pentecostal, most weren't even raised in a religious home. They come from the most populated places in America, the inner cities. The inner cities where people need a real change from the televangelist garbage on the screen. You see, what they deal with every day is different from colgate smiles and baby soft hands of Joel Olsteen. Joel, and the rest of the t.v. preachers don't know what the people are going through or dealing with. Most of the people in the cities are dealing with new age, eastern philosophy, and microwavable mega church. For the most part the young people want militant faith. We are experiencing a lot of young men and women going into Islam, if you gave them your list of dos and don’ts, they would turn around and ask you what is your problem. We have a large group of Rastafarians down here who don't cut their hair, shave, and the women never have their dreads exposed or wear pants. They wear long sleeves, and no jewelry.
Our Hasidic Jews follow also the same pattern, of outer dress, long sleeves, no jewelry, women cover their heads, and wear ankle length dresses. In their homes they have no televisions. Ed, sinners and people of the world expect religious people to look and act spiritual. What shocks them is when you act and look they do.



The difference is Ed, John Q, expects godly looking sisters, and men. But it was Tammy's hysterical antics, and her colgate smiling husband's flamboyant spendings that blew John Q Public away. By the time they got to see Jimbo, crying and being dragged away in cuffs, old John Q was really flipping and tripping.

I have traveled all over America, and spent time talking to the man in the street. They want something real, and if they were to dedicate their lives to a religion, they wouldn't be spending most their time trying to figure out how to find loopholes, to adapt to their secular life.

I guess that job is for those disgruntles who were raised in the religion?



I'm more than happy for you to show us how the Vedic writings of the Gita, compare to the teachings of the Gospel.

Paul didn't quote Aratus to align himself with the Greek poet. Paul was telling those on the Areopagus that they were too superstitious, and through ignorance they worship deities. Paul quotes Aratus to show how much they were in false worship. Paul was at no time trying to quote the Phaenomena to align Jesus Christ with Zeus and how man is his physical offspring.

Ed, I'm very interested to see how Krishna and Arjuna in the Gita were plagiarized by Jesus and His apostles.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

dear sir.

i'll try to keep my answer short...in part because of the hi-jacking warning.

Anyone who helps ease the suffering of children, feed the hungry, help those who cannot help themselves, and bring the Kingdom from simply being words to being real life actions...I'm FOR...not against.

as for the "other Jesus" paragraphs...i have no idea what your point was. I do not believe that EM teaches any other Jesus...other than the one found in the Gospels.

As for who St.Paul quoted and why...my comment was simply to show that St.Paul did read and was aware of these writers...and since he read & studied them...then he could have been influenced them. To state that this could not happen is bad logic.

As for your travels and experiences...they are yours and i would never speak against them...i can only speak from mine. I find that most I speak with want little or nothing to do with religion...they do want something real...and find that all religions are lacking. I tend to agree with them. I do find that they are open to a real experience, with a real God, who really loves them.

In my personal journey...i have grown up in a religious organization that puts performance first...so my journey has not led me to look for loopholes...but rather a quest to really know a real God...IMHO...i find that religion is actually the search to reshape God in a image that is different then He really is.

anyway..I have enjoyed the discussion.