Doctrinal Conference 2009 (Atlanta West)

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Answer the question directly. At best you have to assume they were baptized in Jesus name because the Bible doesn't say.

Where does it explicitly say what the Phillipian Jailer heard as he was being baptized?

Where does it say what Phillip said when he baptized the ethiopian eunich?

You made a bold statement that EVERYONE in the Bible was baptized in the Name of Jesus. Then you backpeddle like a politician when called out.

I mentioned two cases where it doesn't mention what was said over the person. Since you were not there, and no documentation was preserved, at best you can make a somewhat educated assumption.

I know how to get you out of the little puddle you created with the broad assumptions. But you are the self perceived genius on everything holy and sacred. You'll figure it out.

Epley makes a reasonable conclusion here based upon what evidence we have, IMHO. But without the specificity that you are requiring I think we should be gracious toward those sincere Christians who differ on this subject.

That is the next reasonable conclusion I'm looking for Bro. Epley to make.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Epley makes a reasonable conclusion here based upon what evidence we have, IMHO. But without the specificity that you are requiring I think we should be gracious toward those sincere Christians who differ on this subject.

That is the next reasonable conclusion I'm looking for Bro. Epley to make.

The PATTERN is clear the command Mt. 28:19, Luke 24:47
the practice Acts 2:38, 8;12,8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16
The inferences in the Epistles Rom. 6;3, Gal. 3:27, 1Cor 6:11.
The Apostles were NOT like false teachers today who did one thing in one city and another way in another city.
There are NO Christians who have not been baptized in Jesus Name!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The PATTERN is clear the command Mt. 28:19, Luke 24:47
the practice Acts 2:38, 8;12,8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16
The inferences in the Epistles Rom. 6;3, Gal. 3:27, 1Cor 6:11.
The Apostles were NOT like false teachers today who did one thing in one city and another way in another city.
There are NO Christians who have not been baptized in Jesus Name!

... what about being filled with the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues? Are there (or were there ever) any Christians who did not experience this?

[tv1a]

I love this multi quote feature. This is the quote I asked Epley about. Notice the backpeddling.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

ALL the early Christians in the Bible had been baptized in Jesus Name read the Book of Acts. NOT ONE person since Pentecost has had their sins remitted without being baptized in Jesus Name.

Epley starts out by suggesting every scripture indicates everyone was baptized in Jesus name. Now if you read his recent post, he backtracks and says a pattern suggestthe pattern is clear. In reality, in a few situations, we have to assume that is the case.

I agree with the assumptions that the examples I mentioned were baptized in Jesus name. I will not misrepresent scripture by saying that scripture says everyone was baptized in Jesus name. Pardon me for being too honest in religion. I refuse to manipulate words to suggest the Bible says something it doesn't.

There are other ways to prove the need for baptism other than suggesting the Bible says EVERYONE was baptized in Jesus name, when it doesn't say so.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The PATTERN is clear the command Mt. 28:19, Luke 24:47
the practice Acts 2:38, 8;12,8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16
The inferences in the Epistles Rom. 6;3, Gal. 3:27, 1Cor 6:11.
The Apostles were NOT like false teachers today who did one thing in one city and another way in another city.
There are NO Christians who have not been baptized in Jesus Name!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I love this multi quote feature. This is the quote I asked Epley about. Notice the backpeddling.


Epley starts out by suggesting every scripture indicates everyone was baptized in Jesus name. Now if you read his recent post, he backtracks and says a pattern suggestthe pattern is clear. In reality, in a few situations, we have to assume that is the case.

I agree with the assumptions that the examples I mentioned were baptized in Jesus name. I will not misrepresent scripture by saying that scripture says everyone was baptized in Jesus name. Pardon me for being too honest in religion. I refuse to manipulate words to suggest the Bible says something it doesn't.

There are other ways to prove the need for baptism other than suggesting the Bible says EVERYONE was baptized in Jesus name, when it doesn't say so.

The you don't believe in the PATTERN? I believe the command was obeyed as recorded. When it doesn't say it is understood because of the Pattern.

[tv1a]

If you were not intent on saving face you would have read where I believe the pattern is Jesus name baptism. Don't try to make this an issue of if I believe in the pattern or not. You said the Bible says EVERYONE was baptized in Jesus name. I showed you scripture where it does NOT say what was said when someone was baptized. You stated a falsehood whch you refuse to acknowledge as such.

There is a tremendous difference in saying the Bible says everyone did something and backtracking and stating there is a pattern in missing situations.

No one should be suprised. You complain about prosperity preachers twisting scripture. I cannot recollect the last time I read a post where you have misrepresented scripture at least once.

I am unable to see why it is okay for you to blatently distort scripture.

You are unable to stick to the facts. If you did, your religious dogmas would crumble under the weight of properly interpreting God's Word.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The you don't believe in the PATTERN? I believe the command was obeyed as recorded. When it doesn't say it is understood because of the Pattern.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by tv1a

If you were not intent on saving face you would have read where I believe the pattern is Jesus name baptism. Don't try to make this an issue of if I believe in the pattern or not. You said the Bible says EVERYONE was baptized in Jesus name. I showed you scripture where it does NOT say what was said when someone was baptized. You stated a falsehood whch you refuse to acknowledge as such.

There is a tremendous difference in saying the Bible says everyone did something and backtracking and stating there is a pattern in missing situations.

No one should be suprised. You complain about prosperity preachers twisting scripture. I cannot recollect the last time I read a post where you have misrepresented scripture at least once.

I am unable to see why it is okay for you to blatently distort scripture.

You are unable to stick to the facts. If you did, your religious dogmas would crumble under the weight of properly interpreting God's Word.

Very respectful dialogue going on here.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Very respectful dialogue going on here.

Jeffreyyyyyyy......come on, now. I've seen some sharp dialogue from you a few times! And anyone who can talk to Mr. Epley and NOT get sharp is pretty much super-human.

[tv1a]

Thanks for the observation. What type of character does a man have if he repeatedly misrepresents scripture? Going from every scripture says everyone was baptized in Jesus name to a statement that say a pattern suggests Jesus name baptism is two separate things. Epley acted like a coward and tried to make this about my beliefs of baptism. He even distorted my view on baptism. Although Eply tried it was never about what I believe about baptism. It was about Epley's misrepresentation of scripture. He has a consistent pattern of doing that. In the days where people still sucked on the bottle, he could get away with that garbage. And I am told to trust him with my soul? We are in trouble folks.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Very respectful dialogue going on here.