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Servetus · #1 08-03-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Would you ascertain that most churches do not drop standards, they tend to redefine standards which are more in line with scripture and less like man made interpretations?

I would say that is the exception, not the rule. As a general rule, it seems leaving standards is the proverbial "slippery slope."

Now, as for standards being witchcraft, that is ridiculous-sounds like an axe to grind to me. And while I believe in keeping the standards, I do believe we as a church need to re-evaluate the emphasis we put on them. Indeed there is no such thing as "holiness standards", but only "modesty standards".

Also, I will be the first to admit that there have been many Pentecostals who got the mindset that how they dressed made them holy. That attitude is indeed an enemy of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We need balance, we don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water, which is exactly what most people do when they decide not to keep "standards". They go to the extreme opposite. Fact is there is a ditch on both sides of the road.

tv1a · #2 08-04-2009, 02:56 AM

According to scripture, standards become witchcraft when one attempts to impose them on others by threatening their salvation or judging their walk with God. No axe to grind. Scripture. Reread Romans and Galatians. It ties in rather nicely.

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Originally Posted by Servetus

I would say that is the exception, not the rule. As a general rule, it seems leaving standards is the proverbial "slippery slope."

Now, as for standards being witchcraft, that is ridiculous-sounds like an axe to grind to me. And while I believe in keeping the standards, I do believe we as a church need to re-evaluate the emphasis we put on them. Indeed there is no such thing as "holiness standards", but only "modesty standards".

Also, I will be the first to admit that there have been many Pentecostals who got the mindset that how they dressed made them holy. That attitude is indeed an enemy of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We need balance, we don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water, which is exactly what most people do when they decide not to keep "standards". They go to the extreme opposite. Fact is there is a ditch on both sides of the road.

Servetus · #3 08-04-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

According to scripture, standards become witchcraft when one attempts to impose them on others by threatening their salvation or judging their walk with God. No axe to grind. Scripture. Reread Romans and Galatians. It ties in rather nicely.

Did I not say that already?

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Originally Posted by Servetus

The problem isn't the standards, it is putting the wrong emphasis/over emphasis on them.

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Originally Posted by Servetus

And while I believe in keeping the standards, I do believe we as a church need to re-evaluate the emphasis we put on them. Indeed there is no such thing as "holiness standards", but only "modesty standards".

Now then, about reading Romans and Galatians, can I find them at my local library?

tv1a · #4 08-05-2009, 04:03 PM

You did say that. However my answer was responding to the comment that the witchcraft comments was too much. It's scripture. Nothing out of context. As a person with a journalistic background, I cite sources. 2 solid sources with Romans and Galatians. They make a stronger case for the comparison of legalism and witchcraft than any attempt to provide scripture for the magic hair doctrine.

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Originally Posted by Servetus

Did I not say that already?

Now then, about reading Romans and Galatians, can I find them at my local library?

Servetus · #5 08-05-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

You did say that. However my answer was responding to the comment that the witchcraft comments was too much. It's scripture. Nothing out of context. As a person with a journalistic background, I cite sources. 2 solid sources with Romans and Galatians. They make a stronger case for the comparison of legalism and witchcraft than any attempt to provide scripture for the magic hair doctrine.

Why do you guys want to paint all cons witht he same bursh. Monterrey says cons are weak because they preach against TV. And you (tv1a) say there is no scripture for the magic hair doctine.

To which I respond, 1)I do have a TV, and Dish network to boot and 2)I agree that there is no scripture for "magic hair." Yet reamin very conservative.

So (respectfully,not the way it sounds)- What is your point?

tv1a · #6 08-05-2009, 05:24 PM

I made it clear at least a couple times the difference between conservativism and legalism. Legalism is the attempt to impose personal convictions on others. Legalism is making a personal opinion salvational for others.

I have a television, but I don't have the Dish, cable or antenna. Does that make me a conservative. I'll fight fire and brimstone before I call that a monitor.

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Originally Posted by Servetus

Why do you guys want to paint all cons witht he same bursh. Monterrey says cons are weak because they preach against TV. And you (tv1a) say there is no scripture for the magic hair doctine.

To which I respond, 1)I do have a TV, and Dish network to boot and 2)I agree that there is no scripture for "magic hair." Yet reamin very conservative.

So (respectfully,not the way it sounds)- What is your point?

Monterrey · #7 08-06-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Servetus

Why do you guys want to paint all cons witht he same bursh. Monterrey says cons are weak because they preach against TV. And you (tv1a) say there is no scripture for the magic hair doctine.

To which I respond, 1)I do have a TV, and Dish network to boot and 2)I agree that there is no scripture for "magic hair." Yet reamin very conservative.

So (respectfully,not the way it sounds)- What is your point?

Uh Servetus,

I quoted Scriptures to show what Paul thought about those who have stronger standards, HE called them weak. I was just echoing that statement.

I come from an ultracon perspective, and remain that way. Yet I also understand that I don't trust humanity. Humanity is weak. We set up standards as guardrails, not for when we are in control but for when we lose control.

M.

mizpeh · #8 08-06-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

Uh Servetus,

I quoted Scriptures to show what Paul thought about those who have stronger standards, HE called them weak. I was just echoing that statement.

I come from an ultracon perspective, and remain that way. Yet I also understand that I don't trust humanity. Humanity is weak. We set up standards as guardrails, not for when we are in control but for when we lose control.

M.

What's wrong with God's guardrails?

Jeffrey · #9 08-06-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

Uh Servetus,

I quoted Scriptures to show what Paul thought about those who have stronger standards, HE called them weak. I was just echoing that statement.

I come from an ultracon perspective, and remain that way. Yet I also understand that I don't trust humanity. Humanity is weak. We set up standards as guardrails, not for when we are in control but for when we lose control.

M.

That's called misinterpretation and mischaracterization.

*AQuietPlace* · #10 08-06-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

I come from an ultracon perspective, and remain that way. Yet I also understand that I don't trust humanity. Humanity is weak. We set up standards as guardrails, not for when we are in control but for when we lose control.

M.

And this is why God gave us the Holy Ghost.