Classic John Eckstat

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes I realize that as did Eckstat. He was as I understand an attendee of an Assemblies of God Bible College.

Each of the persons is fully God. They are co equal and co eternal. They are multiple YHWH'S.
The end result is Tritheism. I understand John Eckstat brought many into Oneness truth. We should attempt to do the same.

More correctly, because you assert the bolded statement you must understand this as Tritheism. But it is YOUR language not that of any respectable Trinitarian.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

More correctly, because you assert the bolded statement you must understand this as Tritheism. But it is YOUR language not that of any respectable Trinitarian.

Oh really? You must not have talked with as many of them as I have. Co equal, co eternal persons is the heart of Trinitarianism. If one does not believe THAT they are not Trins.

I was among them the first 5-6 years of my walk. I was Church of Christ, Jesus People, Freewill Baptist, Deliverance Pentecostal and Charismatic.

I rejoiced greatly to finally discover Oneness truth. I still rejoice in it today. Nothing gives me more joy than to hear Jesus Christ being magnified to the highest point in the Universe!

To me its not some tired old tradition of men. It is the revelation of Jesus Christ. It is the greatest knowledge thats ever crossed my mind! I am not ashamed to teach Jesus is the Father and the Son. I want everyone to believe it!

John Eckstat influenced my Charismatic Pastor and life long friend Ed Peagler into Oneness revelations. He taught it to us in the body in 1980 in Dayton, Ohio and we considered it a great leap forward not something to hide under a bushel.

I still get excited to hear the wonderful revelations taught by him concerning Jesus Christ.

Is the Oneness message all there is? By no means! But there is no message that is any more important.

Believe and teach the full gospel! I love it all.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Oh really? You must not have talked with as many of them as I have. Co equal, co eternal persons is the heart of Trinitarianism. If one does not believe THAT they are not Trins.

I was among them the first 5-6 years of my walk. I was Church of Christ, Jesus People, Freewill Baptist, Deliverance Pentecostal and Charismatic.

I rejoiced greatly to finally discover Oneness truth. I still rejoice in it today. Nothing gives me more joy than to hear Jesus Christ being magnified to the highest point in the Universe!

To me its not some tired old tradition of men. It is the revelation of Jesus Christ. It is the greatest knowledge thats ever crossed my mind! I am not ashamed to teach Jesus is the Father and the Son. I want everyone to believe it!

John Eckstat influenced my Charismatic Pastor and life long friend Ed Peagler into Oneness revelations. He taught it to us in the body in 1980 in Dayton, Ohio and we considered it a great leap forward not something to hide under a bushel.

I still get excited to hear the wonderful revelations taught by him concerning Jesus Christ.

Is the Oneness message all there is? By no means! But there is no message that is any more important.

Believe and teach the full gospel! I love it all.

Not sure what this has to do with anything. I simply called into question your statements that, "They are multiple YHWH'S. The end result is Tritheism."

I have spoken to plenty. Many of my Christian brothers are Trinitarian, and the Mennonite church I was part of when I met the Lord was "Trinitarian". None of these would agree to YOUR characterization of God.

Bottom line.. what you accuse - what you say they believe, is not at all what they think about God. Those types of fabrications are inflammatory and cause great harm to the body of Christ.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Not sure what this has to do with anything. I simply called into question your statements that, "They are multiple YHWH'S. The end result is Tritheism."

I have spoken to plenty. Many of my Christian brothers are Trinitarian, and the Mennonite church I was part of when I met the Lord was "Trinitarian". None of these would agree to YOUR characterization of God.

Bottom line.. what you accuse - what you say they believe, is not at all what they think about God. Those types of fabrications are inflammatory and cause great harm to the body of Christ.

So you believe I am fabricating the statement that Trinitarians believe in multiple YWHW'S?

Here is a quote from AnsweringIslam a Trinitarian site held in high regard by many of their elite.

Genesis 19:24 and the New Testament

Though the New Testament never quotes Genesis 19:24 directly, it does make remarks relevant to the judgment of Sodom and the identity of the persons called LORD or Yahweh on that occasion. As said, when coupled with the foregoing these remarks are tantamount to explicit testimony that Genesis 19:24 means, when properly interpreted, “God the Son brought down the rain from God the Father.”

http://www.answering-islam.org/autho...initarian.html

They as true classic Trinitarians say there is more than one person called YHWH. This is what I mean by multiple YHWH'S.

Notice also the last phrase of the paragraph: God the Son brought down the rain from God the Father.

Two YHWH persons. Two God persons.

To me that is inflammatory and very harmful to the disciple of Yeshua Messiah and is by no means a fabrication of their doctrine. They are not ashamed of it. Yet Oneness believers defend them and accuse us that oppose the error of fabricating and hurting the body!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So you believe I am fabricating the statement that Trinitarians believe in multiple YWHW'S?

Here is a quote from AnsweringIslam a Trinitarian site held in high regard by many of their elite.



http://www.answering-islam.org/autho...initarian.html

They as true classic Trinitarians say there is more than one person called YHWH. This is what I mean by multiple YHWH'S.

Notice also the last phrase of the paragraph: God the Son brought down the rain from God the Father.

Two YHWH persons. Two God persons.

To me that is inflammatory and very harmful to the disciple of Yeshua Messiah and is by no means a fabrication of their doctrine. They are not ashamed of it. Yet Oneness believers defend them and accuse us that oppose the error of fabricating and hurting the body!

I see your point, MCD. They call this a "mystery" that God operates in a triune nature, much like we claim Jesus the Christ to be 100% God and 100% man. Do I think it's not the more reveletory idea of the godhead? I don't. But to call them tritheists is to misunderstand them completely. The most important thing about the godhead, is understanding that Jesus is God in flesh. To that, almost all agree.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I see your point, MCD. They call this a "mystery" that God operates in a triune nature, much like we claim Jesus the Christ to be 100% God and 100% man. Do I think it's not the more reveletory idea of the godhead? I don't. But to call them tritheists is to misunderstand them completely. The most important thing about the godhead, is understanding that Jesus is God in flesh. To that, almost all agree.

But which God came in the flesh? Since scripture only knows one God even the Father (Malachi 2:10) they are wrong. Why? They teach God the Son another person apart from God the Father came in the flesh.

So who came in flesh? God or the second person of God? What did Paul say?

16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Tim. 3:16

Why did he NOT say the second person of God was manifest? Because he only believed in One God.