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[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Picking up a discussion from yesterday on following worldly standards.

These shoes are currently available at Dillards. I can without a doubt guarantee they will be seen this week in St. Louis.

So, why do they stop at women wearing pants as being the separator from looking worldly?

It always struck me as ironic that we harp on modesty so much, and yet one definition of modest is 'not drawing attention to yourself' or 'not ostentatious'. And yet Pentecostals are some of the most flamboyant dressers on the planet.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

It always struck me as ironic that we harp on modesty so much, and yet one definition of modest is 'not drawing attention to yourself' or 'not ostentatious'. And yet Pentecostals are some of the most flamboyant dressers on the planet.

Yes maam!

Never has made a lot of sense to me.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Yes maam!

Never has made a lot of sense to me.

And then when the explanation for why we don't wear jewelry is because we don't believe in adorning our bodies?!? Uh, no. I don't think so. There was no way I was going to give that explanation to anyone when they could look around and see all of the adorning that we do.

I know women who spend hours on their hairdos, over $200 on a dress, $200 on a purse.... and then tilt their noses in the air over people who wear wedding bands.

Consistency is a wonderful thing.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

It always struck me as ironic that we harp on modesty so much, and yet one definition of modest is 'not drawing attention to yourself' or 'not ostentatious'. And yet Pentecostals are some of the most flamboyant dressers on the planet.

I always bring up the spectacle that is the Annual Family Camp. Despite all the rhetoric about modesty, many of the women (and men) wear clothing worthy of a Hollywood red carpet premier.

So I do not believe that most styles of clothing ate inherently sinful.... What IS sinful is the piousness of those who bask in their "humbleness" while doing EVERYTHING to draw attention to themselves. And is what I find personally grating.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I always bring up the spectacle that is the Annual Family Camp. Despite all the rhetoric about modesty, many of the women (and men) wear clothing worthy of a Hollywood red carpet premier.

Yes, and this stuff really does violate what Paul was teaching, but no one seems to care?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

It always struck me as ironic that we harp on modesty so much, and yet one definition of modest is 'not drawing attention to yourself' or 'not ostentatious'. And yet Pentecostals are some of the most flamboyant dressers on the planet.

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I always bring up the spectacle that is the Annual Family Camp. Despite all the rhetoric about modesty, many of the women (and men) wear clothing worthy of a Hollywood red carpet premier.

I don't know where you people hung out all of your lives, but this just isn't exactly true!

On the planet, AQP? I love ya, girl, but this just is not true! LOL!

Not directing this at either of you, but I remember many posts where we have been criticized for having long, stringy ponytails, looking like a wash woman, etc.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways? Do you want us to look like trash bags or can we buy our clothes at Nordstrom's, Macy's, etc.? Ya'll are cracking me up!

I'm going to go put in my Bubba teeth!

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't know where you people hung out all of your lives, but this just isn't exactly true!

On the planet, AQP? I love ya, girl, but this just is not true! LOL!

Not directing this at either of you, but I remember many posts where we have been criticized for having long, stringy ponytails, looking like a wash woman, etc.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways? Do you want us to look like trash bags or can we buy our clothes at Nordstrom's, Macy's, etc.? Ya'll are cracking me up!

I'm going to go put in my Bubba teeth!

You can have it both ways because both are true depending on the circumstances. At camps, I found it was usually the women who were husband hunting and men looking for a trophy that brought out the worst in flamboyant-ness. Or some women trying to out compete others in a game that has been played for thousands and thousands of years, and most often seen in the ranks of the rich and powerful. And it is usually only seen at large gatherings where people are trying to make impressions on those that they would rarely run across otherwise.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You can have it both ways because both are true depending on the circumstances. At camps, I found it was usually the women who were husband hunting and men looking for a trophy that brought out the worst in flamboyant-ness. Or some women trying to out compete others in a game that has been played for thousands and thousands of years, and most often seen in the ranks of the rich and powerful. And it is usually only seen at large gatherings where people are trying to make impressions on those that they would rarely run across otherwise.

Randy,
The problem with your scenario is that I was in the middle of that in the bar scene and in the rodeo functions we attended. Have your ever been to a specialty western wear store? - My goodness - high dollar and awesome stuff! I bought grey eel skin leather boots for just one night of dancing, Randy! Please, you can't talk to me about this! LOL!

We dressed to compete!!! Something new every time and we had to out dress everyone else - it was a game and we loved it! LOL!

So for some of us who have been around - it's not a UPC thing - by far - it's not! LOL!

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Randy,
The problem with your scenario is that I was in the middle of that in the bar scene and in the rodeo functions we attended. Have your ever been to a specialty western wear store? - My goodness - high dollar and awesome stuff! I bought grey eel skin leather boots for just one night of dancing, Randy! Please, you can't talk to me about this! LOL!

We dressed to compete!!! Something new every time and we had to out dress everyone else - it was a game and we loved it! LOL!

So for some of us who have been around - it's not a UPC thing - by far - it's not! LOL!

I fully realize it is not just a UPC/apostolic thing. The thing that is grating, like I mentioned before, is the piousness and false humility that so many have while doing exactly what we are both talking about -both in the world and at church functions.

You've been in rodeo's? I have never been to one but would love to sometime. One of my wife's cousins has competed quite a bit and looks the part to a T.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I fully realize it is not just a UPC/apostolic thing. The thing that is grating, like I mentioned before, is the piousness and false humility that so many have while doing exactly what we are both talking about -both in the world and at church functions.

You've been in rodeo's? I have never been to one but would love to sometime. One of my wife's cousins has competed quite a bit and looks the part to a T.

Have you ever - probably not - been in the middle of a ladies function with all the flamboyant dresses and the Holy Ghost falls and everyone is crying and could care less about their clothes or hair, Randy? This is the heart of these women - they love their God and they want to feel pretty. What woman doesn't!

And sure, there are arrogant, stupid woman that are not touched because they are so into themselves, but that is just on a small scale, IMO.

My father was a team roper and I married a bull rider - so - yes, been there done that. LOL! I'm not a sporty type girl, so I rode our horses, but didn't ride in the rodeos, but I loved being around them. I wore heels and let the others wear the typical western boots - not my style. My younger sister called the cowgirls "Buckle Bunnies"!

We purchased clothes months ahead getting ready for them all! Sound familiar? - it's a girl thang!!! LOL!