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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

As mentioned already, the difference is people at rodeo's or country music award shows, etc. aren't trying to line up with scripture about being modest.

That IS the rub.

I don't see what is so immodest about being dressed up. It only draws attention to the ones that don't want to. I don't see how that is being immodest. Being half-dressed or having cleavage showing like Yolanda Adams and CeCe Winans is immodest and a bad example to all Christian women, IMO.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't see what is so immodest about being dressed up. It only draws attention to the ones that don't want to. I don't see how that is being immodest. Being half-dressed or having cleavage showing like Yolanda Adams and CeCe Winans is immodest and a bad example to all Christian women, IMO.

I don't think it's the being dressed up at all. I love to dress up! The point I don't understand is what AQP has been saying too.

Being modest isn't JUST about cleavage showing. The scripture to me, means to NOT BE SHOWY. You can disagree all you want, but there are SHOWY people at GC or church or ladies meetings. And the argument that there are showy people in the world doesn't hold water because they aren't pretending to live by the scriptural meaning of modest.

That's all I'm saying.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I don't think it's the being dressed up at all. I love to dress up! The point I don't understand is what AQP has been saying too.

Being modest isn't JUST about cleavage showing. The scripture to me, means to NOT BE SHOWY. You can disagree all you want, but there are SHOWY people at GC or church or ladies meetings. And the argument that there are showy people in the world doesn't hold water because they aren't pretending to live by the scriptural meaning of modest.

That's all I'm saying.

And that's a gray area too. Being ostentatious, overly done-up, designer shoes, matching designer purse, etc is "showy" to me. But women do like to have fun and dress up. And if you're going to dress up, you should know how to do it. That's a worse example (representing with your ratty t-shirts and denim skirt).

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I don't think it's the being dressed up at all. I love to dress up! The point I don't understand is what AQP has been saying too.

Being modest isn't JUST about cleavage showing. The scripture to me, means to NOT BE SHOWY. You can disagree all you want, but there are SHOWY people at GC or church or ladies meetings. And the argument that there are showy people in the world doesn't hold water because they aren't pretending to live by the scriptural meaning of modest.

That's all I'm saying.

The Bible doesn't say to not be showy. It just says in order with good behaviour. If you are pressed and coiffured - you are in order! LOL! Now, how you act after that is the question! LOL!

Seriously, if whatever you are wearing comes between you and honest worship and service to God, you need to change your style. It, basically, comes down to an individual thing. And because it is an individual thing, we can't judge those we see. We simply do not know their hearts.

You can see teenagers being teenagers and having on some wacky stuff, but when the power of God hits them, they are crying like a baby and wanting God more than anything - at the moment! LOL! Oh, those fleeting harmones. LOL!

I'm just glad they are in church and not in a bar - no matter how bad they act after leaving the building. The church is a hospital. We cannot turn anyone away. When their friends know their darkest secrets and faults, it's hard for them to get past that and do the thing they want to do - worship God. Condemnation is a griping element to fight!! Not much different in any other religious group, IMO. People are just people.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The Bible doesn't say to not be showy. It just says in order with good behaviour. If you are pressed and coiffured - you are in order! LOL! Now, how you act after that is the question! LOL!

Seriously, if whatever you are wearing comes between you and honest worship and service to God, you need to change your style. It, basically, comes down to an individual thing. And because it is an individual thing, we can't judge those we see. We simply do not know their hearts.

You can see teenagers being teenagers and having on some wacky stuff, but when the power of God hits them, they are crying like a baby and wanting God more than anything - at the moment! LOL! Oh, those fleeting harmones. LOL!

I'm just glad they are in church and not in a bar - no matter how bad they act after leaving the building. The church is a hospital. We cannot turn anyone away. When their friends know their darkest secrets and faults, it's hard for them to get past that and do the thing they want to do - worship God. Condemnation is a griping element to fight!! Not much different in any other religious group, IMO. People are just people.

I have to disagree - - I think that is exactly what it's saying. I know it's The Message, but that is how I have always interpreted the passage.

The Message interpretation is pretty sobering:

1 Timothy 2:9 (The Message)

8-10 Since prayer is at the bottom of all this, what I want mostly is for men to pray—not shaking angry fists at enemies but raising holy hands to God. And I want women to get in there with the men in humility before God, not primping before a mirror or chasing the latest fashions but doing something beautiful for God and becoming beautiful doing it.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I have to disagree - - I think that is exactly what it's saying. I know it's The Message, but that is how I have always interpreted the passage.

The Message interpretation is pretty sobering:

1 Timothy 2:9 (The Message)

8-10 Since prayer is at the bottom of all this, what I want mostly is for men to pray—not shaking angry fists at enemies but raising holy hands to God. And I want women to get in there with the men in humility before God, not primping before a mirror or chasing the latest fashions but doing something beautiful for God and becoming beautiful doing it.

Are you asserting, then, that primping before a mirror or wearing the latest fashions is sinful?

Is that the concept behind this verse?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Are you asserting, then, that primping before a mirror or wearing the latest fashions is sinful?

Is that the concept behind this verse?

No, only when that's more important than being humble before God or it becomes the focus.

We've all seen those people that are only there to be seen.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I have to disagree - - I think that is exactly what it's saying. I know it's The Message, but that is how I have always interpreted the passage.

The Message interpretation is pretty sobering:

1 Timothy 2:9 (The Message)

8-10 Since prayer is at the bottom of all this, what I want mostly is for men to pray—not shaking angry fists at enemies but raising holy hands to God. And I want women to get in there with the men in humility before God, not primping before a mirror or chasing the latest fashions but doing something beautiful for God and becoming beautiful doing it.

Would that apply to an every day attitude or just a church service and general meeting? I just don't see what is wrong with celebrating by being dressed up. We do it when we go out on a date? What's a better date than with God? Again, I know some people are into themselves. That's a given in a crowd, but I see sincere people at the core of it all, Renda. I walk among the crowds and we are praying with people. It's a little different than sitting in the back and scoping the place out. The ones in the back and not getting involved are the ones with the problem, IMO.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Would that apply to an every day attitude or just a church service and general meeting? I just don't see what is wrong with celebrating by being dressed up. We do it when we go out on a date? What's a better date than with God? Again, I know some people are into themselves. That's a given in a crowd, but I see sincere people at the core of it all, Renda. I walk among the crowds and we are praying with people. It's a little different than sitting in the back and scoping the place out. The ones in the back and not getting involved are the ones with the problem, IMO.

I would say anywhere - -not just church.

You can dress up and look fabulous - not against that and I don't believe God is either, but if THAT is what is most important to you when you go out, then that's where it's wrong. Once again, a matter of the heart.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I would say anywhere - -not just church.

You can dress up and look fabulous - not against that and I don't believe God is either, but if THAT is what is most important to you when you go out, then that's where it's wrong. Once again, a matter of the heart.

I agree. I used to put my lipliner in my bra, so I wouldn't leave home without it. LOL! So, I get that.

I'm just wondering if we are judging this group of people by a yearly meeting or a church service. Not sure I would put it down to say they live this way 24/7.

When I was growing up we always dressed up for church. We felt it was the right thing to do when attending church. I think I've always liked that. I want it to be a special time.