10.01.09-The End of Haneywood - D. Bernard New GS

[Light]

Originally Posted by n david

I met KH once. I was very impressed with how gracious and kind he was to me and my family.

The UPC has a good GS and should vote him in again.

If one looked they couldn't find a nicer man than KH but nice is not what it's about. If KH believed the 3 step doctrine why would he allow some one in his school to teach one is saved at repentance? The UPCI needs someone that teaches the three step doctrine and actually believes it at the helm.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Light

If one looked they couldn't find a nicer man than KH but nice is not what it's about. If KH believed the 3 step doctrine why would he allow some one in his school to teach one is saved at repentance? The UPCI needs someone that teaches the three step doctrine and actually believes it at the helm.

Did KH really allow someone to teach the one step doctrine or was that his Dad (Clyde Haney) that did that? I think there was pressure on the Haneys to discontinue allowing divergent views on the new birth to be expressed in their school and it was discontinued.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Sam

Did KH really allow someone to teach the one step doctrine or was that his Dad (Clyde Haney) that did that? I think there was pressure on the Haneys to discontinue allowing divergent views on the new birth to be expressed in their school and it was discontinued.

Yes KH did. The man that I am referring to made the following statement when he was asked why he stayed in the upc if he believed------ his reply was I can do more to change the beliefs on the inside than outside.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes KH did. The man that I am referring to made the following statement when he was asked why he stayed in the upc if he believed------ his reply was I can do more to change the beliefs on the inside than outside.

And is this man still UPC and does he still teach at the college? If not, do you know when he left?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes KH did. The man that I am referring to made the following statement when he was asked why he stayed in the upc if he believed------ his reply was I can do more to change the beliefs on the inside than outside.

OK, I guess you are referring to LY.

I was thinking of when Bro. Howard Goss visited the college in the 1950's at the request of Clyde Haney "for the purpose of teaching his view of the new birth." In 1957 Bro. Goss openly said from the chapel pulpit that he was definitely saved prior to baptism in Jesus name or Spirit baptism. During a class on Pentecostal Doctrine at WABC, where he was an invited speaker, Bro. Goss was asked specifically about his view of the new birth. He was not hesitant in affirming that all "Trinitarian brothers were in the body of Christ and they would all go up together." He explained his view by saying that both Oneness and Trinitarian believers had been baptized into one body. He openly asserted that baptism was "because of" the remission of sins and therefore a post-salvation matter. Phillip Dugas was a student there in 1958 when Bro. Goss made those statements.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Light

If one looked they couldn't find a nicer man than KH but nice is not what it's about. If KH believed the 3 step doctrine why would he allow some one in his school to teach one is saved at repentance? The UPCI needs someone that teaches the three step doctrine and actually believes it at the helm.

Sam is right on this one..... you are way out of the loop if you think KH allowed someone to continue to teach the one-step doctrice at CLC .... There may be those that believed it and remained on staff - but it wasn't taught after LY left.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Sam is right on this one..... you are way out of the loop if you think KH allowed someone to continue to teach the one-step doctrice at CLC .... There may be those that believed it and remained on staff - but it wasn't taught after LY left.

Thee seems to be some confusion around definitions and history. Here are some facts about CLC.

We were taught that one could be justified at faith (declared to be right with God, that is quite substantial, but that is not full salvation, the normative New Birth experience is to repent, faith, baptism in water and Spirit) That is not one step.

They (staff) were honest enough to show that our founders and how some even to the present days had divergent views on full NT salvation and how one becomes a member of the Bride of Christ the Church.

Also it is in the charter/by laws of Christian LIfe College/WABC that Acts 2:38 will not be taught as a Heaven or Hell issue.

Those are the facts, as presently I can't vouch that those things still exist. But up to a few years ago they were still present.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Thee seems to be some confusion around definitions and history. Here are some facts about CLC.

We were taught that one could be justified at faith (declared to be right with God, that is quite substantial, but that is not full salvation, the normative New Birth experience is to repent, faith, baptism in water and Spirit) That is not one step.

They (staff) were honest enough to show that our founders and how some even to the present days had divergent views on full NT salvation and how one becomes a member of the Bride of Christ the Church.

Also it is in the charter/by laws of Christian LIfe College/WABC that Acts 2:38 will not be taught as a Heaven or Hell issue.

Those are the facts, as presently I can't vouch that those things still exist. But up to a few years ago they were still present.

Keith,

You were a little ahead of me, but other than LY I don't remember any of the faculty ever saying what they personally believed. DS for example would default to what Clyde Haney taught or what some other old timer had to say about the issue. So for people to say there was a one-step teaching at CLC isn't accurate. They did seem to me to be more fair to that position in terms of talking about those who held that position.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Keith,

You were a little ahead of me, but other than LY I don't remember any of the faculty ever saying what they personally believed. DS for example would default to what Clyde Haney taught or what some other old timer had to say about the issue. So for people to say there was a one-step teaching at CLC isn't accurate. They did seem to me to be more fair to that position in terms of talking about those who held that position.

I remember talking to DS and repeating everything that I stated here, this was the position of the CLC when he was there, I also believe that DS position is stated in his wonderful books.

[Kim Komando]

Haney is reelected!