DKB: The Leader

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esther

I think that is probably the better way. However, I also know the scripture talks about know them that labor among you. Does that mean you never let anything negative expressed?

We are talking about a man that is not here to defend himself and I think it's just plain gossip.

Sharing negative experiences or concerns should be left within our individual families and with close friends. That is, if you have a friend that you feel you can trust to share things with. JMHO.

I didn't defend DB on the issue of dying the hair using Matthew 5:36. I felt it was taken out of context, in that, it speaks of not having control over things. You do have control over what color you can dye your hair. I think we can differ on scripture, but I wouldn't bash his character.

If Sister Alvear had a bad experience, she should keep that to herself. Mainly, because the whole story wasn't told and DB isn't here to defend his actions or explain why he acted like he did. Even if he was wrong, he should have been given the opportunity to defend himself.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We are talking about a man that is not here to defend himself and I think it's just plain gossip.

Sharing negative experiences or concerns should be left within our individual families and with close friends. That is, if you have a friend that you feel you can trust to share things with. JMHO.

I didn't defend DB on the issue of dying the hair using Matthew 5:36. I felt it was taken out of context, in that, it speaks of not having control over things. You do have control over what color you can dye your hair. I think we can differ on scripture, but I wouldn't bash his character.

If Sister Alvear had a bad experience, she should keep that to herself. Mainly, because the whole story wasn't told and DB isn't here to defend his actions or explain why he acted like he did. Even if he was wrong, he should have been given the opportunity to defend himself.

PO, I consider you a friend on this forum and agree with 95% of your takes, but I think you've let emotion seep into this one and you're reading more into what Sis. Alvear has posted.

She has related a personal experience of hers with DKB that happened many years ago. She's not repeating hearsay or gossip, but a personal account of her dealings with the man.

She also didn't bash him or the UPCI, in fact, she went the extra mile to note that it happened many years ago and that she loves the UPCI. She simply points out that, in her informed opinion, she felt like he dealt badly with a situation without having facts.

How can that be wrong or unethical of her to do? Surely there isn't some sort of code of silence around men that lead religious organizations.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

PO, I consider you a friend on this forum and agree with 95% of your takes, but I think you've let emotion seep into this one and you're reading more into what Sis. Alvear has posted.

She has related a personal experience of hers with DKB that happened many years ago. She's not repeating hearsay or gossip, but a personal account of her dealings with the man.

She also didn't bash him or the UPCI, in fact, she went the extra mile to note that it happened many years ago and that she loves the UPCI. She simply points out that, in her informed opinion, she felt like he dealt badly with a situation without having facts.

How can that be wrong or unethical of her to do? Surely there isn't some sort of code of silence around men that lead religious organizations.

I may be a lot of things, but I'm not a gossip and I avoid people that are - even if they are members of my church. There is not ONE single member of my church that EVER calls my house to talk about anyone nor do they corner me at church. They know that I don't discuss people. I will with my husband though!

I was thinking of people who have hurt me in the organization - I would never discuss that on this forum for everyone to read. People are just people....but that's just me.

I know many good things about DB - who he is and what he has done so - yes - I may be a little emotional. I certainly won't erect a statute to him. He is simply just a man that I happen to respect and disagree on several doctrinal issues.

But, it is not really about DB at this point. I was just shocked that Sis. Alvear would post that someone left a bad taste in her mouth. It seemed a bit out of character for her. Saying he left a bad taste in her mouth is bashing him, IMO.

If I related a story that happened "years ago" means I didn't get over it and move on and haven't let him move on either. Perhaps through experience he has changed a few things - we are left with the idea that he hasn't. That's not fair.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I think the UPC has done much for world evangelization...however many years ago DB left a sour taste in my mouth over something he knew nothing but hearsay about writing us a letter to get us straight on something...IF that is his approach as GS he will drive away good people...before opinions are formed and letters are sent we need to know the whole story on any given subject.

Sorry, but this just doesn't sound very good to me. Not only does she bring up the past, but doesn't elaborate, leaving it to speculation. He isn't even here to defend his actions - it's pure gossip and I don't agree with it.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We are talking about a man that is not here to defend himself and I think it's just plain gossip.

Sharing negative experiences or concerns should be left within our individual families and with close friends. That is, if you have a friend that you feel you can trust to share things with. JMHO.

I didn't defend DB on the issue of dying the hair using Matthew 5:36. I felt it was taken out of context, in that, it speaks of not having control over things. You do have control over what color you can dye your hair. I think we can differ on scripture, but I wouldn't bash his character.

If Sister Alvear had a bad experience, she should keep that to herself. Mainly, because the whole story wasn't told and DB isn't here to defend his actions or explain why he acted like he did. Even if he was wrong, he should have been given the opportunity to defend himself.

Now PO, surely you know that verse to the song is not published nor honored here? I also wish that were the case, but it is not.