That's a scary picture you paint. Sounds more like a Mafia Don than a GS.
Baron, I don’t think Paul feels he’s a Mafia Don but maybe a Media Don. I think his characterization of DKB being reminiscent to a zealous District attorney might be accurate.
I still can’t help but think after reading DKB’s September statement:
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Apostolic Identity. -We are thankful for the tremendous revival and growth that we are experiencing. At the same time, we must acknowledge that a few ministers have begun to question some of our Apostolic distinctives, particularly some aspects of holiness in outward appearance and possibly some aspects of the doctrine of salvation. The District Board unanimously and firmly believes that we must maintain our Apostolic identity on these biblical doctrines of the new birth and holiness, while continuing to press for revival and growth.
As a District Board, we take seriously our responsibility to ensure that all our ministers adhere to these scriptural teachings. The District Board has adopted a plan of action and has asked me as district superintendent to follow up on these matters. We understand that the local church is self-governing, that the pastor has authority and responsibility to lead the local church, and that there is room for diversity of opinion and application in many areas. We also understand the need for wisdom, patience, and tolerance in both evangelism and discipleship, proclaiming the life of faith and not legalism.
However, we expect that those who are used in public leadership, such as preaching, teaching, and leading in worship, will reflect the values of the New Testament church as understood and proclaimed by the UPCI. If some ministers are seeking direction on these issues, we are available for personal discussion and guidance, and we will provide tools and forums for further study. We don’t want anyone to leave our fellowship, but if some have made a definite decision that they do not believe and will not implement these teachings, then they are no longer in harmony with the UPCI, and the most consistent decision is for them to withdraw
That DKB is speaking on both sides of his mouth. In one breath saying we need to be tolerate diverse views, allow for local church authority and give time for various approaches to evangelism and discipleship.
How long does one wait as the district board and leader for a pastor to teach his fold the UPCI way? Is he promoting bait and switch discipleship?
Yet, in the next breath he clearly states that those who are on the fence will not and should not be use in preaching, teaching, and leading worship if they don’t abide by the UPCI way.
It appears he knows that his hands are tied in many of these situations and can only show these wayward preachers the door by telling them to be consistent and withdraw but will not shove them out by his own hand.
More than anything, I am wondering if DKB learned any triage in law school because the org he’s about to commandeer is hemorrhaging. In 2007, there were well over 9400 ministers. This year at GC, Jerry Jones told the floor that there are now over 9100 ministers in the fellowship with 600 ministers added to the roll this year.
That’s a net loss of –300 ministers in two year, and if just 600 hundred were added this year, it is safe to say that with the WPF schism and others turning in their cards on both sides, well over 900 ministers have left in the last 2 years. Keep in mind these are established ministers with established churches. Yes, they have been replenished with fresh and young blood but what will compensate for the “brain and maturity” drain that this causes?
The org is also hemorrhaging money. PPH, according to the last financials, just lost another million dollars and now is 2.3 million dollars in the whole. KH slashed the budgets of many of the divisions and programs. There have been layoffs in PPH and HMD while still funneling money to his pet project “Global Impact”.
DBK will be best served to address the loss of seasoned ministers and monies before cleaning house ideologically.
I think the UPC has done much for world evangelization...however many years ago DB left a sour taste in my mouth over something he knew nothing but hearsay about writing us a letter to get us straight on something...IF that is his approach as GS he will drive away good people...before opinions are formed and letters are sent we need to know the whole story on any given subject.
I personally think he is super intelligent but sometimes a lack of knowledge and jumping into a situation often leaves a wrong impression...and I am sure that is what happened. I have used many things he has written but always remember a letter he wrote that was so far off base...but that was many years ago...many...however I never forgot such bad taste in someone I considered so smart...
I do love the UPC although I am not a member but there are many fine people there and lifetime friends. I have never been on a band wagon trying to destroy them. If I can help in any way I am always willing. Oh yes...I love the WPF, ALJC and whatever...ha....I love people...and there are good people in every group.
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I think the UPC has done much for world evangelization...however many years ago DB left a sour taste in my mouth over something he knew nothing but hearsay about writing us a letter to get us straight on something...IF that is his approach as GS he will drive away good people...before opinions are formed and letters are sent we need to know the whole story on any given subject.
I personally think he is super intelligent but sometimes a lack of knowledge and jumping into a situation often leaves a wrong impression...and I am sure that is what happened. I have used many things he has written but always remember a letter he wrote that was so far off base...but that was many years ago...many...however I never forgot such bad taste in someone I considered so smart...
I do love the UPC although I am not a member but there are many fine people there and lifetime friends. I have never been on a band wagon trying to destroy them. If I can help in any way I am always willing. Oh yes...I love the WPF, ALJC and whatever...ha....I love people...and there are good people in every group.
So you got a letter too, huh? Talk about global impact!
I think the UPC has done much for world evangelization...however many years ago DB left a sour taste in my mouth over something he knew nothing but hearsay about writing us a letter to get us straight on something...IF that is his approach as GS he will drive away good people...before opinions are formed and letters are sent we need to know the whole story on any given subject.
I personally think he is super intelligent but sometimes a lack of knowledge and jumping into a situation often leaves a wrong impression...and I am sure that is what happened. I have used many things he has written but always remember a letter he wrote that was so far off base...but that was many years ago...many...however I never forgot such bad taste in someone I considered so smart...
I do love the UPC although I am not a member but there are many fine people there and lifetime friends. I have never been on a band wagon trying to destroy them. If I can help in any way I am always willing. Oh yes...I love the WPF, ALJC and whatever...ha....I love people...and there are good people in every group.
WOW, Sister Alvear, I'm surprised you would post something like that on a public forum.
WOW, Sister Alvear, I'm surprised you would post something like that on a public forum.
I think she posted what did happen without bitterness, but fact.
I don't think these things should be swept under the rug, personally.
However, I will also say this, no one can please everyone. Just not possible. He is a man and subject to mistakes as are the rest of us.
I think time will tell what direction this organization will end up going in. But I believe change is on the horizon.
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I think she posted what did happen without bitterness, but fact.
I don't think these things should be swept under the rug, personally.
However, I will also say this, no one can please everyone. Just not possible. He is a man and subject to mistakes as are the rest of us.
I think time will tell what direction this organization will end up going in. But I believe change is on the horizon.
I do believe time will tell about anyone, anything and everything. I'm all in favor of discussing our differences in scriptural interpretation. I'll jump on that if I think I know what I'm talking about or want to share my thoughts.
What I won't do is bash and gossip about people and organizations. There is no excuse for it.
I know people that have left a bad taste in my mouth, but I'm not going to drag that onto a public forum. JMHO.
I do believe time will tell about anyone, anything and everything. I'm all in favor of discussing our differences in scriptural interpretation. I'll jump on that if I think I know what I'm talking about or want to share my thoughts.
What I won't do is bash and gossip about people and organizations. There is no excuse for it.
I know people that have left a bad taste in my mouth, but I'm not going to drag that onto a public forum. JMHO.
I think that is probably the better way. However, I also know the scripture talks about know them that labor among you. Does that mean you never let anything negative expressed?
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