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Old 04-20-2007, 02:30 PM
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For one thing, no post on this thread said anything about her being ok, only that she was misdiagnosed.

For another, we all sin. Do you think your pastor should openly rebuke you in front of the church everytime you sin? Do you think many people would come to church in that was taking place? Would any preaching even get done?

In addition, when putting scripture in context, we see that Paul was speaking of rebuking ELDERS that sinned, not the saints.

1 Tim 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

IOW, if two or three witnesses come forward with an accusation, the accused are to be rebuked before everyone because the sin has come to light.

As for your other verses, rebuking in a general sense is acceptable. Those verses say nothing about rebuking an individual in front of others.

Context, context, context. It's quite obvious what Paul was saying when you read ALL the scripture.

That Paul guy sure was sending a double message. He stats at the beginning of Chapter 5 to: Rebuke not an elder, but intreat [him] as a father...

and then in verse 20 he changes his tune to: Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.


I think he missed it somewhere...............NOT!

Just so we get it straight.

One of the greek words for rebuke is elegcho. and it means:


1) to convict, refute, confute

a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted

b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

2) to find fault with, correct

a) by word

1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove

2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation

b) by deed

1) to chasten, to punish
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Old 04-20-2007, 02:37 PM
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That Paul guy sure was sending a double message. He stats at the beginning of Chapter 5 to: Rebuke not an elder, but intreat [him] as a father...

and then in verse 20 he changes his tune to: Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.


I think he missed it somewhere...............NOT!

Just so we get it straight.

One of the greek words for rebuke is elegcho. and it means:


1) to convict, refute, confute

a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted

b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

2) to find fault with, correct

a) by word

1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove

2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation

b) by deed

1) to chasten, to punish
Again, when you take scripture in context, he was referring to rebuke in a general sense, not in reference to sin committed by the elder.

We rebuke one another on this forum, but we don't accuse one another of sin openly, do we?

There is a difference in what Paul was saying in the first verse and what he said in the 20th.
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