Frog, you need to hop down to Mexico and see what it's like before you make rash statements. I have friends who work among the Indians just below Ensenada . I visited them and their work a couple months ago. The living conditions are beyond belief. I have helped support the work for some time but this was the first chance I have had to see what is happening there. The Mexican people are great hard working people. It's the illegals and the legals from other countries other than Mexico that concern me.
rash? I suppose we can let every mexican into our country then. Every single one. To me that's the rash statement.
rash? I suppose we can let every mexican into our country then. Every single one. To me that's the rash statement.
If a father of five risks his life to come here to keep his daughters from having to do the unthinkable to survive that's perfectly understandable. What would you do? Oh, I forgot, anti-immigration folks have all the answers... it would be so easy for you to live the lives these people lead wouldn't it?
The problem is... some of us are ungrateful for our freedom. So we feel no issues with denying it to someone else.
If a father of five risks his life to come here to keep his daughters from having to do the unthinkable to survive that's perfectly understandable. What would you do? Oh, I forgot, anti-immigration folks have all the answers... it would be so easy for you to live the lives these people lead wouldn't it?
The problem is... some of us are ungrateful for our freedom. So we feel no issues with denying it to someone else.
Chris, you act as if there's not a single person in America that faces the same problems as those in Mexico or any other country do. We have people losing homes they've lived in all their lives due to the falling economy, yet they aren't selling off their daughters to make ends meet.
I have a friend who lived in the same house for 20 years, her husband not only had his own business but also worked another job, she drove a Lincoln, and life was grand...except that his job as a surveyor was pretty much brought to a halt when the economy started failing. They not only lost their house, but their car and his business barely is surviving. Now they are renting.....something they've not done in the 23 years they've been married.
However, their 22 year old daughter hasn't once had to go sell herself to pay the bills. Their 18 year old son isn't dealing drugs because they feel he has no choice if they want to eat.
We trust that God takes care of us as He does the sparrow, but He can't take care of the Mexicans unless they come to America illegally? That's not denying someone freedom. If they want to come, come, but do it legally. It's no different than in any other country.
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Chris, you act as if there's not a single person in America that faces the same problems as those in Mexico or any other country do. We have people losing homes they've lived in all their lives due to the falling economy, yet they aren't selling off their daughters to make ends meet.
I have a friend who lived in the same house for 20 years, her husband not only had his own business but also worked another job, she drove a Lincoln, and life was grand...except that his job as a surveyor was pretty much brought to a halt when the economy started failing. They not only lost their house, but their car and his business barely is surviving. Now they are renting.....something they've not done in the 23 years they've been married.
However, their 22 year old daughter hasn't once had to go sell herself to pay the bills. Their 18 year old son isn't dealing drugs because they feel he has no choice if they want to eat.
We trust that God takes care of us as He does the sparrow, but He can't take care of the Mexicans unless they come to America illegally? That's not denying someone freedom. If they want to come, come, but do it legally. It's no different than in any other country.
It's not so much that they face problems unlike many Americans, which as you well stated many Americans do face similar circumstances. However, as Americans we have far more opportunities to rectify those circumstances. We have opportunities in the midst of hardship that they don't.
It's not so much that they face problems unlike many Americans, which as you well stated many Americans do face similar circumstances. However, as Americans we have far more opportunities to rectify those circumstances. We have opportunities in the midst of hardship that they don't.
And people are still people. Values don't change when circumstances do.
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And people are still people. Values don't change when circumstances do.
I agree that values don't change when circumstances do... however history will attest that fallen human beings go to great lengths and often do things that betray their values to survive. We have to accept that reality. Also, we live in such a previledged society that we can smugly say stuff like this. I do believe that if most of us were ever in their circumstances we too might be willing to do things we'd never do given the opportunities we have.
I agree that values don't change when circumstances do... however history will attest that fallen human beings go to great lengths and often do things that betray their values to survive. We have to accept that reality. Also, we live in such a previledged society that we can smugly say stuff like this. I do believe that if most of us were ever in their circumstances we too might be willing to do things we'd never do given the opportunities we have.
I disagree. I wouldn't violate my values to pay my bills or even eat. I believe most people are like myself in that regard.
In this country, we have people that commit crimes with the excuse that they are poor. These people are punished and rightfully so. We don't give them a free pass due to their unfortunate circumstances. If we did, we'd all be living in constant fear. I know I would.
Sadly, we have people living without adequate food, water, or even heat in THIS country, however, hearing stories about criminal activity taking place due to those circumstances is rare.
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