BHO is a Muslim?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You must be joking, Bratti.

Maybe Republicans should wisen up and woo Muslims to their party.

http://muslimrepublicans.net/

You really need to make some Muslim friends, PO. Go find some and invite them for tea.

It's easier to think badly of people from a distance.

Being Muslim isn't what bothers me about Obama. IF he's Muslim and he's hiding it, THAT would be more cause to dislike him than actually being a Muslim.

So...either he's the most successful sleeper cell ever created, OR he's not a Muslim--because he certainly doesn't practice basic tenets of the faith. That's my take, anyway.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Maybe Republicans should wisen up and woo Muslims to their party.

http://muslimrepublicans.net/

You really need to make some Muslim friends, PO. Go find some and invite them for tea.

It's easier to think badly of people from a distance.

Being Muslim isn't what bothers me about Obama. IF he's Muslim and he's hiding it, THAT would be more cause to dislike him than actually being a Muslim.

So...either he's the most successful sleeper cell ever created, OR he's not a Muslim--because he certainly doesn't practice basic tenets of the faith. That's my take, anyway.

Of course I would, as a Christian, be kind to those that I meet. Not only because it's my duty, but because I have a profound awareness of the power of the Holy Ghost and the love of Jesus Christ in forgiveness, renewal, regeneration and restoration.

It is our responsibility to emulate Jesus Christ by our behaviour. That is a no-brainer.

In the midst of that, the Word tells us to be "wise as serpents and gentle as doves."

I am very well aware of the Islamic term, “Al-taqiyya". It means "dissimulation".

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. A Muslim can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved and even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate someone on his journey.

Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. They will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Now, there are some Muslims who do not follow the Koran and are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. Working with a religion where it is permissible to lie is a very touchy and dangerous issue.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Of course I would, as a Christian, be kind to those that I meet. Not only because it's my duty, but because I have a profound awareness of the power of the Holy Ghost and the love of Jesus Christ in forgiveness, renewal, regeneration and restoration.

It is our responsibility to emulate Jesus Christ by our behaviour. That is a no-brainer.

In the midst of that, the Word tells us to be "wise as serpents and gentle as doves."

I am very well aware of the Islamic term, “Al-taqiyya". It means "dissimulation".

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. A Muslim can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved and even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate someone on his journey.

Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. They will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Now, there are some Muslims who do not follow the Koran and are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. Working with a religion where it is permissible to lie is a very touchy and dangerous issue.

So what are we discussing again? Islam? Or whether Obama is a Muslim?

I never said Islam was a great religion. LOL!!!!

Like I said, it would bother me MORE if Obama were a Muslim and lied about it, because people hide things for a reason. If he were a Muslim openly, I would be less concerned. (about his religion)

Let's say the conspiracies are true, and Obama lied about being a Muslim for one of the permissible reasons--THAT would be disturbing. I don't really think you're getting what I'm saying...I don't really CARE whether or not Obama is a Muslim, but I DO care if he's dishonest about his religion. IF he lied in a religiously permissible way, then that is ALSO disturbing since those sorts of lies are the exception, not the rule. Islam generally does NOT permit lying, except for certain circumstances.

To be fair, though, lying is condemned in the Bible, but seemingly condoned in practice in a couple of instances. (Such as Rahab hiding the spies or Jael luring Sisera to his death.) Deceit for a greater good doesn't seem to be condemned.

Obama is not a practicing Muslim, so if he's a Muslim, he's in hiding and lying about it. Why?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

So what are we discussing again? Islam? Or whether Obama is a Muslim?

I never said Islam was a great religion. LOL!!!!

Like I said, it would bother me MORE if Obama were a Muslim and lied about it, because people hide things for a reason. If he were a Muslim openly, I would be less concerned. (about his religion)

Let's say the conspiracies are true, and Obama lied about being a Muslim for one of the permissible reasons--THAT would be disturbing. I don't really think you're getting what I'm saying...I don't really CARE whether or not Obama is a Muslim, but I DO care if he's dishonest about his religion. IF he lied in a religiously permissible way, then that is ALSO disturbing since those sorts of lies are the exception, not the rule. Islam generally does NOT permit lying, except for certain circumstances.

To be fair, though, lying is condemned in the Bible, but seemingly condoned in practice in a couple of instances. (Such as Rahab hiding the spies or Jael luring Sisera to his death.) Deceit for a greater good doesn't seem to be condemned.

Obama is not a practicing Muslim, so if he's a Muslim, he's in hiding and lying about it. Why?

Uh, you must have missed reading my thread. LOL! Does "Al-taqiyya" ring a bell?

Everything else you said is

I can't place my hand on a Bible and say - "YES, Obama is a Muslim." I don't know what he is - and that's the problem. He is surrounded with Communists and Muslims - so I don't know.

But, really, my post was about the Islamic faith in general. When Saudi Arabia steps up and denounces Sharia Law, I will believe they are not behind "terrorism" and "jihad".

See my post: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=103

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Of course I would, as a Christian, be kind to those that I meet. Not only because it's my duty, but because I have a profound awareness of the power of the Holy Ghost and the love of Jesus Christ in forgiveness, renewal, regeneration and restoration.

It is our responsibility to emulate Jesus Christ by our behaviour. That is a no-brainer.

In the midst of that, the Word tells us to be "wise as serpents and gentle as doves."

I am very well aware of the Islamic term, “Al-taqiyya". It means "dissimulation".

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. A Muslim can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved and even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate someone on his journey.

Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. They will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Now, there are some Muslims who do not follow the Koran and are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. Working with a religion where it is permissible to lie is a very touchy and dangerous issue.

So, would you agree that it's a grevious sin for a Christian to lie about a politician they don't like?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, would you agree that it's a grevious sin for a Christian to lie about a politician they don't like?

I think that if you do that with intent to harm not having ever studied or read any information to support your opinion - then, yes, I would think so.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think that if you do that with intent to harm not having ever studied or read any information to support your opinion - then, yes, I would think so.

I disagree. I think if you're going to say something as strong as a President being a closet Muslim you'd better do your homework first... and I'm not talking email forwards. I know a preacher who was preaching and mentioned how he read that Proctor and Gamble were a company ran by Satanists and homosexuals. He elaborated how this is a prime example of what we're up against... I found out later he was talking about a long refuted forward that was circulated.

STUPID.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, would you agree that it's a grevious sin for a Christian to lie about a politician they don't like?

It doesn't matter to many on this board.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Light

It doesn't matter to many on this board.

Light,
I think that all of the issues we discuss here are in the news, on blogs, cited on video clips. I don't believe you are lying about someone when you have verified links, which we include in our posts, that are also made available to the general public. JMO.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Light,
I think that all of the issues we discuss here are in the news, on blogs, cited on video clips. I don't believe you are lying about someone when you have verified links, which we include in our posts, that are also made available to the general public. JMO.

People on this board were warned to put links to the articles they cut and paste just in the last few weeks. Where is the verification for this trash?

This you-tube video posted by sam is a poor job of splicing, made by a right wing nut. A piece of trash that a Christian should be ashamed of.