What I have learned from AFF

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

The context of Matthew 16 is that the keys to the kingdom are knowing who Jesus is.

Not something that we randomly throw in much later as being the keys.

actually the keys were given because of that revelation. the keys here are authority god had given peter, which is why he proceeded to say "and whatoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Socialite

actually the keys were given because of that revelation. the keys here are authority god had given peter, which is why he proceeded to say "and whatoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Take a closer look at that verse. it actually reads backward in English. Peter is to declare what has already been established in Heaven not that Heaven is going to back Peter.

Segraves explained it to us like this...

Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be as having already been bound in heaven.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Take a closer look at that verse. it actually reads backward in English. Peter is to declare what has already been established in Heaven not that Heaven is going to back Peter.

Segraves explained it to us like this...

Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be as having already been bound in heaven.

Reads backwards? How so? I guess I'm not understanding your point clearly.

This doesn't seem to be a mysterious verse to me. Upon this "rock" (revelation) I build my church... you are Peter and I give you keys (authority) to bind and loose. This is the authority that the church has even today. In a primary reading, this is setting Peter up as the potential leader early on in the church (despite the knowledge that James was the leader of the church in the 1st century). This is why Catholics refer to Peter as their first pope.

I understand that Peter is not establishing anything that hasn't already been established, but that is exactly how the Spirit works anyway!

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Reads backwards? How so? I guess I'm not understanding your point clearly.

This doesn't seem to be a mysterious verse to me. Upon this "rock" (revelation) I build my church... you are Peter and I give you keys (authority) to bind and loose. This is the authority that the church has even today. In a primary reading, this is setting Peter up as the potential leader early on in the church (despite the knowledge that James was the leader of the church in the 1st century). This is why Catholics refer to Peter as their first pope.

I understand that Peter is not establishing anything that hasn't already been established, but that is exactly how the Spirit works anyway!

It reads backwards in that Peter is declaring what has already been established in Heaven and not the other way around.