Oneness people aren't saved?

[deltaguitar]

I have been reading Brian's stuff for years. Doesn't he still go to a UPC church?

My sister got me hooked on his blog back when she thought he could help me, little did she know we were all headed down the same slippery slope.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I have been reading Brian's stuff for years. Doesn't he still go to a UPC church?

My sister got me hooked on his blog back when she thought he could help me, little did she know we were all headed down the same slippery slope.

Funny, huh ... he is recently married and relocated from N. California.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I have been reading Brian's stuff for years. Doesn't he still go to a UPC church?

My sister got me hooked on his blog back when she thought he could help me, little did she know we were all headed down the same slippery slope.

Between CLC's valedictorian and salutatorian ... did you get set straight, DG????



What are they teaching folks there?

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by DAII

Between CLC's valedictorian and salutatorian ... did you get set straight, DG????



What are they teaching folks there?

I have been saying this for eight years now. It was Dr. Seagraves lectures that opened my eyes to the gospel. Looking back I am not so sure if it was his teaching or the fact that he just went straight through Romans and Galatians and taught from scriptures that I had never heard preached. It was probably just the presentation of scripture without the UPC doctrine inserted that allowed my UPC foundation to crumble. The word cut me deep.

I do remember Dr. Seagraves making the case that the UPC bylaws supported scripture and making the case that many of the things taught in local UPC churches were not only against scripture but also the UPC bylaws.

It seems to me that Brian beat my sister out for valedictorian and it was my BIL that beat out Cassandra one year later. But I might be wrong about that.

All that seems so far away now. I don't consider myself Pentecostal anymore nor really care to have any connection with the UPC other than those who have gone through it and came out and because most of my family is in the UPC. There are some great people who have influenced me within the UPC though and for that I am grateful but I have left the movement completely and am at peace.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I have been saying this for eight years now. It was Dr. Seagraves lectures that opened my eyes to the gospel. Looking back I am not so sure if it was his teaching or the fact that he just went straight through Romans and Galatians and taught from scriptures that I had never heard preached. It was probably just the presentation of scripture without the UPC doctrine inserted that allowed my UPC foundation to crumble. The word cut me deep.

I do remember Dr. Seagraves making the case that the UPC bylaws supported scripture and making the case that many of the things taught in local UPC churches were not only against scripture but also the UPC bylaws.

It seems to me that Brian beat my sister out for valedictorian and it was my BIL that beat out Cassandra one year later. But I might be wrong about that.

All that seems so far away now. I don't consider myself Pentecostal anymore nor really care to have any connection with the UPC other than those who have gone through it and came out and because most of my family is in the UPC. There are some great people who have influenced me within the UPC though and for that I am grateful but I have left the movement completely and am at peace.

I think you are right on the timeline! I'll ask her. Looks like the ladies came in second place.

Good thing some have kept the faith, huh?

I find the exodus of many CLCers from this time period (1990's to mid 2000's) to be an interesting case study .... and I do think the influence of Yadon and Segraves has a lot to do with it ... all under the Haney watch.

It would appear CLC replaced Jackson in the apostate category.

[DAII]

BTW, DG, we are eternally grateful to your sister and BIL for the important role they played in our wedding. Great couple!

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think you are right on the timeline! I'll ask her.

I find the exodus of many CLCers from this time period to be interesting .... and I do think the influence of Yadon and Segraves has a lot to do with it.

I really wish this could be documented. Because Searaves, who I have never met, has influenced my life in such a way.

I have heard it said that the problem is students would take "Romans and Galatians" and then forget everything else they learned from CLC or leave after one semester only to be changed forever.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I really wish this could be documented. Because Searaves, who I have never met, has influenced my life in such a way.

I have heard it said that the problem is students would take "Romans and Galatians" and then forget everything else they learned from CLC or leave after one semester only to be changed forever.

Even some of the staff surrounding the Segraves era ... seemed to be influenced greatly by Segraves in moving leftward.

Makes you think.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Even some of the staff surrounding the Segraves era ... seemed to be influenced greatly by Segraves in moving leftward.

Makes you think.

I wouldn't characterize it as a "move leftward..." Segraves' theology represents the older strain and thus any move in that direction would be toward a "more conservative" stand.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think you are right on the timeline! I'll ask her. Looks like the ladies came in second place.

Good thing some have kept the faith, huh?

I find the exodus of many CLCers from this time period (1990's to mid 2000's) to be an interesting case study .... and I do think the influence of Yadon and Segraves has a lot to do with it ... all under the Haney watch.

It would appear CLC replaced Jackson in the apostate category.

You can add me to the number. I also exited the UPC during the Segraves years.