Oneness people aren't saved?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I really wish this could be documented. Because Searaves, who I have never met, has influenced my life in such a way.

I have heard it said that the problem is students would take "Romans and Galatians" and then forget everything else they learned from CLC or leave after one semester only to be changed forever.

Even some of the staff surrounding the Segraves era ... seemed to be influenced greatly by Segraves in moving leftward.

Makes you think.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think you are right on the timeline! I'll ask her. Looks like the ladies came in second place.

Good thing some have kept the faith, huh?

I find the exodus of many CLCers from this time period (1990's to mid 2000's) to be an interesting case study .... and I do think the influence of Yadon and Segraves has a lot to do with it ... all under the Haney watch.

It would appear CLC replaced Jackson in the apostate category.

You can add me to the number. I also exited the UPC during the Segraves years.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

You can add me to the number. I also exited the UPC during the Segraves years.

It's uncanny ... and many who have stayed for various reasons are left of center.
I see some of this trend with Jackson ... the generation before.


TM, would you say that brother Segraves influenced your decision in any way?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

You can add me to the number. I also exited the UPC during the Segraves years.

Aha!! TM is definitely not me... I was never in the UPC! (Even I was starting to wonder! )

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by DAII

It's uncanny ... and many who have stayed for various reasons are left of center.
I see some of this trend with Jackson ... the generation before.


TM, would you say that brother Segraves influenced your decision in any way?

If I listed the influences that guided my exodus, Dr. Segraves would be a "10" and no one else would be more than a "3". So yes, absolutely. In fact, it started on the first day of school in the opening ten minutes. It was quite a shock to my 18-year-old brain.

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by DAII

Interesting list of names chiming in ... JG, JD and even our own Praxeas.

I don't play with Godhead ninjas.

Godhead assassin-Praxeas?

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Aha!! TM is definitely not me... I was never in the UPC! (Even I was starting to wonder! )

Were you feeling threatened, Timmy?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Were you feeling threatened, Timmy?

Nah. There's always room for one more ... uh.... trouble maker.

[Jeffrey]

I wonder if Segraves would weep over a thread like this, or smile?

He probably at least grimaces knowing the political pressure for such comments. But it's widely known, and this is not new revelation.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I wonder if Segraves would weep over a thread like this, or smile?

He probably at least grimaces knowing the political pressure for such comments. But it's widely known, and this is not new revelation.

This is from page 19 of the 1952 Manual of the United Pentecostal Church. the subject is Repentance and Conversion


Repentance and Conversion

Pardon and forgiveness of sins is obtained by genuine repentance, a confessing and forsaking of sins. We are justified by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 5;1). John the Baptist preached repentance, Jesus proclaimed it, and the Apostles emphasized it to both Jews and Gentiles. (Acts 2:38; 11:18; 17:30)

The word “repentance” comes from several Greek word which mean, change of views and purpose, change of heart, changed of mind, change of life, to transform, etc.

Jesus saisd, “...except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3).

Luke 24:47 says, “And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”

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I don't think it reads like that in the current manual.