UPCI

[MusicMaster]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I have never belonged...so my words are the words of an outsider...I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN BY WRITING THIS BUT I FEEL WE NEED EACH OTHER MORE THAN EVER BEFORE.

I have read/heard and saw both good and bad....However my overall thoughts about the UPCI in general are:
1. They have done more to promote the gospel than any other Jesus Name group I know.
2. They have opened up many home missions churches throughout America more than any other JN group I know.
3. I stand in awe of their many missionaries all over the world...more than any other Jesus name group I know.
4. I honor their many programs for missions and can say UPCI missionaries are well taken care of...and that takes a load off the missionary.
5. I honor great men and women that have been and are associated with the UPCI.
6. I know there are some that are quite different in thinking than I am however I pray for them and hope if they know me they will pray for me.

Yes, I know there have been some that were "done wrong" but we are dealing with human factors and no one is perfect much less a big organization. Mistakes have been made and in the process some have been destroyed...however this is the results of all of us being human. That happens among the independents too...

I deeply appreciate the UPCI churches that open their doors to us along with any other group that opens their doors...I think we ought to love one another as much as possible. I am deeply aware there are people we cannot always be buddy buddy to but we can pray for them and wish them well.

I want to be friends with all those that want my friendship...I have no desire to murder anyone.

Often it is strange how people tell things that are not true...before taking sides with anyone we should learn the truth...we should go to the person...hearsay is cheap...truth is valuable…I even heard not long ago in so many words we were leaning toward trinity…lol…when I would say we have probably baptized more trinity people in Jesus name than any group in Brazil.

We believe what we believe but it has never been our intentions to hurt anyone.
So dear ones let us pray for all people but especially those of the household of faith not looking at what color card they hold…WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER.

Excellent post.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

I'm confused.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Naaaa, I'm still confused.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Yeah, I'm definitely confused.

We get the picture. You're confused. There are mental health professionals that work with people who are confused every day. Need a referral? I'm sure there is someone here with connections who could fix you right up.

Originally Posted by Brother David

Okay, okay. Sister A, starts a thread to say something nice about a group that she doesn't even belong to. We can allow her to do that and use conventional terminology understood in a conventional manner within the AFF lexicon, can't we?

You would think that since this is an apostolic forum, that perhaps an apostolic organization might possibly be reflected occasionally in a positive light. I guess that is too much to ask of some people. It doesn't take much to figure out who "Troublemaker" is. He posts with the same style, regardless of how many times he attempts to change the user name.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

My feelings are hurt. Sniffle. Here I am, all confused, and you're accusing me of trying to cause trouble. I don't understand. Now I'm even more confused.

Hopefully, my point in all this is fairly discernible.

The sniffle, whine post just proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt if there was any question as to who is posting from the name.

Originally Posted by jfrog

Beyond a doubt... But is it really a point worth fighting about? I mean it's not like she claimed that the UPC has done more to spread the gospel than any other Christian group. You see my point?

No, it isn't worth fighting about. Troublemaker just wanted more attention today.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Now I'm really confused!!

See above comment regarding your state of confusion.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Is there anything here worth fighting about? I'm either wondering why certain groups insinuate that only they value the name of Jesus, or I'm just trying to be a Troublemaker (you gotta love my avatar), or both.

What you are is a forum troll. People figure out who you are on one name, so you move to another and another and another. Eventually the owners on the forum will get tired of your game, and ban you for a year or something like they did that Daniel guy. You're more annoying than he ever was.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

I'm a little dense.

What an understatement.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

You have raised a valid point. I am heading, right now, over to www.baptistfriendsforum.com and I'm going to tell them off. Man, I'm really mad now!

Seriously, the term, "Full Gospel" has always been terribly irritating to me. "We're 'Full Gospel', you other poor schmucks are only half-gospel!"

I don't care for labels, in case you can't tell. They're terribly exclusionary and unfair.

There's a great name for your own little forum. Why don't you buy the domain name and make your own place so you can post about how confused you are and let your buddies tell you it's okay to be confused because they accept you just as you are.

I have a few labels I could stick on you, but it would get me banned.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Maybe Troublemaker is really someone else pretending to not know what Sister Alvear means...of course that would make him an Ultra Con because we all know only the Ultra Con's deceive others like that....right?

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

He/she would have to be awful dumb not to know...for after all this is an Apostolic oneness site. All may not be oneness but all know what oneness is when we refer to it.

Ah now, let's not hurt his widdle feelings again. He'll sniffle and whine some more. He's just "so confused" We're supposed to feel sorry for him.

Originally Posted by Sam

C'mon guys. We (myself included) do so much UPC bashing here.
Why not allow someone who is familiar with missions work and with various Oneness Pentecostal organizations say something good about the UPC?

Be honest, there's lots of good people in the UPC and the UPC as an organization does lots of good stuff.

Now there's a brilliant idea.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

I have no problem chiming in with you. I've often said that I hate the system and love the people.

More proof of who Troublemaker really is, as if we needed more proof. Love the people, accept the people. I'm okay, you're okay, everyone can come to my church and hold leadership positions, Sound familiar anyone?

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

No, no, no, no.......that's WAY too simple and makes WAY too much sense. You obviously aren't very learned in the scriptures, or denominational politics, for that matter. You see, if we make a monstrous, huge flippin' deal out of nothing, then we can have a separate denomination and create more positions of power. You've gotta get with it, Snicker. There are deep, deep, deep, deep hidden truths in the bible and have only been unlocked by certain people. All the other poor suckers are going to hell. God desires to burn forever those idiots that couldn't figure out the Godhead.

You're making way too much sense and making sense isn't acceptable in religion.

More of the same

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Wonder why it seems to bother some people if we start a thread about someone's virtures? Had we always rather focus on shortcomings?

That's a good question.

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

I think I, pretty much, understood that. "Somewhat hypocritically." Got it. Roger that. You believe trinitarians who end their prayers with "In the name of Jesus" are "somewhat hypocritical." Your position is clear. Ridiculous, but clear.

What is ridiculous is that you continue to post on this forum. It's pretty clear to most of the members on this forum that you hate apostolic people, apostolic churches and organizations and everything that they stand for. Why are you even on this forum? All you do is to mock, ridicule and make fun of anything and everything you can come up.

Grow up.

Why don't you do like the rest of the disgruntled people who didn't like the apostolic friends forum content did and go create your own little playground. Then you can be king, have all the attention you want and run things the way you please. That might make you feel special and give you as much attention as you seem to desire. I'm sure you will have a few followers that would go post with you as they seem to get into your amen corner and follow you around in every thread you start your pathetic posts in.

My apology to Sister Alvear for my part in disrupting what would have been a really nice thread on AFF for a change. Some people just wouldn't let it be one.