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Old 03-17-2010, 04:24 PM
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If that's the point, then, well, shoot, I coulda thought up a better parable than that!
Go for it... but remember, you have to incorporate the literary genres of the Bronze Age era Eastern Mediterranean and Mesopotamian region. Only by communicating through established literary norms will your story be understood by your intended audience.

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Go for it... but remember, you have to incorporate the literary genres of the Bronze Age era Eastern Mediterranean and Mesopotamian region. Only by communicating through established literary norms will your story be understood by your intended audience.

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OK.

Once upon a time, . . . .

Nah, too hackneyed. Ahem...

Come listen to my story 'bout a man named Jed.

Hmm. This is harder than I thought!
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OK.

Once upon a time, . . . .

Nah, too hackneyed. Ahem...

Come listen to my story 'bout a man named Jed.

Hmm. This is harder than I thought!

One of the great lessons I get out of the story of Noah and the Ark is actually found in the New Testament. Hebrews 11:7, "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house......."

Noah was incredibly unsuccessful in reaching anyone to join in with him. A complete failure. He spent years trying to convert people to his cause. None joined. But he was successful in the most important thing in his life...his family. His primary purpose in building the ark, was for the saving of his household.
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One of the great lessons I get out of the story of Noah and the Ark is actually found in the New Testament. Hebrews 11:7, "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house......."

Noah was incredibly unsuccessful in reaching anyone to join in with him. A complete failure. He spent years trying to convert people to his cause. None joined. But he was successful in the most important thing in his life...his family. His primary purpose in building the ark, was for the saving of his household.
Yeah, there's that. Still. Was the figurative mass destruction of zillions of people and animals really necessary?
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Yeah, there's that. Still. Was the figurative mass destruction of zillions of people and animals really necessary?
Uhhhhh.....well, those people wouldn't straighten up, so too bad!!! That's the other lesson I get out of this story!

No really, in answer to your question, I'll give a non-answer. I struggle with all the Old Testament killing stories. It's difficult for me.
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Uhhhhh.....well, those people wouldn't straighten up, so too bad!!! That's the other lesson I get out of this story!

No really, in answer to your question, I'll give a non-answer. I struggle with all the Old Testament killing stories. It's difficult for me.
Well, if they were only figurative, it's not so bad, is it?
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Uhhhhh.....well, those people wouldn't straighten up, so too bad!!! That's the other lesson I get out of this story!

No really, in answer to your question, I'll give a non-answer. I struggle with all the Old Testament killing stories. It's difficult for me.
NOW, I have struggled with Old Testament slaughter for years. I've brought up Amalek on several occasions and the subject gets ignored.

Jesus brought such an opposite message. Loving your enemy doesn't mean we kill pregnant women, the elderly, children, and the mentally ill.
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NOW, I have struggled with Old Testament slaughter for years. I've brought up Amalek on several occasions and the subject gets ignored.

Jesus brought such an opposite message. Loving your enemy doesn't mean we kill pregnant women, the elderly, children, and the mentally ill.

You know what? Before this thread is finished, we're going to be confessing all kinds of stuff!

I don't know...when I was a 13-year-old bible quizzer doing I Samuel, trying to make it back to the national finals, I could quote the heck out of I Samuel 15 and I was seriously fast to the buzzer! I couldn't wait for the 30 point questions.

I've done the obligatory, "It's better to obey than sacrifice" sermon and made some darn good points.

But then I really read it. Wow. When it sunk in? Wow.

Should I confess to my problems with God and the devil making a deal over Job's life?
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Yeah, there's that. Still. Was the figurative mass destruction of zillions of people and animals really necessary?
Considering that over time, the "zillions" would all end up dead anyway and we'd be left wondering what purpose they served even under those conditions...

Remember Shakespeare's Henry V? The play starts with the machinations of the clergy about how to weasel Henry's claim to the French throne into a more favorable light. Then there is a look at how war has affected some troops loyal to "Hal" in the past and the awful consequences of the martial life.

Then we have a complex interplay of international relations followed by the basest treason and the attempted murder of the Royal Person Himself! And all of that is just to set up the terrible march in the rain to Le Harve in France ("No king of England, if not king of France!" cries Henry at one point), the brutal siege and horrible loss of life ("Once more into the breech!"). Then another grueling march to Agincourt and the terrible slaughter there.

Next, we find Henry giving his terms to his uncle, the King of France as he woos his cousin the princess. He gets everything he wanted by marriage! There was no need for the war at all (a part of the 100 Years' War)!

Then the chorus updates us on the events following Henry V's career and the birth of his son who was crowned King of England and France!

... France recovers, retakes Paris and the entire country - in a single fell swoop all of the drama, the intrigue and the terrible costs of war are all wiped clean from the slate and the audience is left to ask, "What was the point of all this fighting to begin with?"

"Thus far, with rough and all-unable pen,
Our bending author hath pursued the story,
In little room confining mighty men,
Mangling by starts the full course of their glory.
Small time, but in that small most greatly lived
This star of England: Fortune made his sword;
By which the world's best garden be achieved,
And of it left his son imperial lord.
Henry the Sixth, in infant bands crown'd King
Of France and England, did this king succeed;
Whose state so many had the managing,
That they lost France and made his England bleed:
Which oft our stage hath shown; and, for their sake,
In your fair minds let this acceptance take." ...

A "sound and fury, signifying nothing?" ...

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One of the great lessons I get out of the story of Noah and the Ark is actually found in the New Testament. Hebrews 11:7, "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house......."

Noah was incredibly unsuccessful in reaching anyone to join in with him. A complete failure. He spent years trying to convert people to his cause. None joined. But he was successful in the most important thing in his life...his family. His primary purpose in building the ark, was for the saving of his household.
Can you imagine what it was like to grow up in that household. All your friends would see that monstrous box like thing being built in your back yard. I wonder how those guys found girls that would marry them.
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