When Are We Forgiven?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It is to earnestly acknowledge our sins are our own and to have a full sense of our sins and to be ready to own it. We are taking the whole blame upon ourselves and not laying them to the charge of any man or God.

In a word - acknowledgment. That is key.

Repentance is acknowledgement??

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Repentance is acknowledgement??

Acknowledging that we have sinned and confessing those sins. Acknowledging that our sins are our own and no one else is to blame. It's the right thing to do.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Acknowledging that we have sinned and confessing those sins. Acknowledging that our sins are our own and no one else is to blame. It's the right thing to do.

But the meaning of the word "repentance" is "To Turn". I don't see it having anything to do with acknowledgement and/or confessing.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But the meaning of the word "repentance" is "To Turn". I don't see it having anything to do with acknowledgement and/or confessing.

How do you turn if you don't acknowledge that you need to turn or acknowledge the reason why you need to turn?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How do you turn if you don't acknowledge that you need to turn or acknowledge the reason why you need to turn?

Well, I'll let you figure that out, but I'm just suggesting that you stick to defining "Repentance" to its actual definition.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Well, I'll let you figure that out, but I'm just suggesting that you stick to defining "Repentance" to its actual definition.

I am very well aware what "repentance" means - to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction).

I'm not going to think differently, reconsider my plight, feel any moral compunction if I'm not aware or acknowledge that I need to.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am very well aware what "repentance" means.....

Ok, that's fine. But you said "Acknowledgement" so I wanted to make sure.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am very well aware what "repentance" means - to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction).

I'm not going to think differently, reconsider my plight, feel any moral compunction if I'm not aware or acknowledge that I need to.

Wouldn't that be conviction?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How do you turn if you don't acknowledge that you need to turn or acknowledge the reason why you need to turn?

I can acknowledge WITHOUT turning.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I can acknowledge WITHOUT turning.

Of course there are people who know they need to do good and do it not.

You still have to be aware/acknowledge that you need to turn around and go in another direction. Not ALL people who acknowledge their wrong will turn, but ALL people who do sincerely acknowledge their wrong and sincerely want to act on that will turn.

Who is going to sincerely turn without having an awareness that they need to? That has nothing to do with someone who refuses to turn.