When Are We Forgiven?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Am I wrong ... look below....


I don't see baptism listed here. I show repentance = forgiveness. To say otherwise is a stretch.


Obviously we'll disagree on this. I don't see it as first this, then this, then this. I've seen people get the HG without first being baptized. That really throws your steps off!

I agree and I have seen people receive the HG before baptism. And yes, that means that they did believe and would have to have repented. Yet still, the Bible says you receive remission (forgiveness) after you repent and are baptized. You can't get around that one either. It's in the Word.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It is to earnestly acknowledge our sins are our own and to have a full sense of our sins and to be ready to own it. We are taking the whole blame upon ourselves and not laying them to the charge of any man or God.

In a word - acknowledgment. That is key.

Repentance is acknowledgement??

[DAII]

Point of faith/repentance ... true faith goes hand in hand with true repentance .... different sides of the same coin.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Repentance is acknowledgement??

Acknowledging that we have sinned and confessing those sins. Acknowledging that our sins are our own and no one else is to blame. It's the right thing to do.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Forgiveness may occur even before one has admitted to sin, or repented.

The Adulterous woman that was cast at Jesus' feet. "Neither do I condemn thee"

Those that crucified Jesus. "Father, forgive them"

Was Stephens prayer granted? "Lord, lay not this sin to their charge."

I might be the only one, but I love your post and totally agree. I LOVE the story of the woman caught in adultery.

"Neither do I condemn you."

For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world....."

"There is therefore now no condemnation......"

Wow!!!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Acknowledging that we have sinned and confessing those sins. Acknowledging that our sins are our own and no one else is to blame. It's the right thing to do.

But the meaning of the word "repentance" is "To Turn". I don't see it having anything to do with acknowledgement and/or confessing.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But the meaning of the word "repentance" is "To Turn". I don't see it having anything to do with acknowledgement and/or confessing.

How do you turn if you don't acknowledge that you need to turn or acknowledge the reason why you need to turn?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How do you turn if you don't acknowledge that you need to turn or acknowledge the reason why you need to turn?

Well, I'll let you figure that out, but I'm just suggesting that you stick to defining "Repentance" to its actual definition.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Well, I'll let you figure that out, but I'm just suggesting that you stick to defining "Repentance" to its actual definition.

I am very well aware what "repentance" means - to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction).

I'm not going to think differently, reconsider my plight, feel any moral compunction if I'm not aware or acknowledge that I need to.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am very well aware what "repentance" means.....

Ok, that's fine. But you said "Acknowledgement" so I wanted to make sure.