What Is The One Step Of One Step Doctrine?

TheLegalist · #1 03-29-2010, 10:13 AM

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It's simple. There is a righteousness which comes from God upon surrender/trust in Him. No amount of good deeds can produce that. However, good deeds are, well, good to do. I think God thinks that ALL good deeds are good. They just don't produce the only thing which saves us, which is HIS good work imparted to/for us as an atonement for our sinful deeds.

Filthy rags or not they still don't save us.

they are not the "source" of salvation but they do have a bearing on our salvation.

ManOfWord · #2 03-29-2010, 10:17 AM

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they are not the "source" of salvation but they do have a bearing on our salvation.

The Christian's good deeds flow FROM salvation not TOWARDS it. They NEVER bring us closer to salvation or produce salvation in any way. IMPOSSIBLE to do so. They can, however, be an indicator if we have surrendered our lives to Him or not.

TheLegalist · #3 03-29-2010, 11:33 AM

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The Christian's good deeds flow FROM salvation not TOWARDS it.

Never said it did. Technically I believe it flows both ways. You just made a monergistic point of which I don't agree. Paul says we also "save ourselves...

1Ti 4:16 Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Though we don't "add" to it. It takes our response(deeds) to make salvation a reality and secure our standing before God.

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They NEVER bring us closer to salvation or produce salvation in any way. IMPOSSIBLE to do so.

I would agree.

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They can, however, be an indicator if we have surrendered our lives to Him or not.

I would agree. See we have a obligation "to do" and then we are judged unto to INHERIT eternal life. You MAYBE in covenant and have received a saving aspect in your life but you have not obtained yet "fully" that which you seek. You will be judged in the end worthy or not to receive. Either you fulfilled the contract or not to follow him as you should.

Timmy · #4 03-29-2010, 11:38 AM

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Never said it did.

I would agree.

I would agree. See we have a obligation "to do" and then we are judged unto to INHERIT eternal life. You MAYBE in covenant and have received a saving aspect in your life but you have not obtained yet "fully" that which you seek. You will be judged in the end worthy or not to receive. Either you fulfilled the contract or not to follow him as you should.

Will you be worthy?

TheLegalist · #5 03-29-2010, 11:48 AM

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Will you be worthy?

we will see... that is the point of "judgment"

Timmy · #6 03-29-2010, 11:51 AM

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we will see... that is the point of "judgment"

You scared?

TheLegalist · #7 03-29-2010, 11:55 AM

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You scared?

Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Php 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or questioning,
Php 2:15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
Php 2:16 holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run in vain or labor in vain.

pelathais · #8 03-29-2010, 12:50 PM

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Will you be worthy?

I've decided to "hedge my own bets" on this one by confessing that there's no way I could ever be worthy. Nothing I do and nothing that any other human being could ever do for me will be good enough to allow me to stand in that day.

So, I "plead the blood." Revelation 5:9 and Revelation 12:11.

Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus will be doing both the judgment and "presenting" the defense. I trust that He has it all worked out to bring the greatest amount of glory to His righteousness and joy to His church.

TheLegalist · #9 03-29-2010, 01:05 PM

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I've decided to "hedge my own bets" on this one by confessing that there's no way I could ever be worthy. Nothing I do and nothing that any other human being could ever do for me will be good enough to allow me to stand in that day.

So, I "plead the blood." Revelation 5:9 and Revelation 12:11.

Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus will be doing both the judgment and "presenting" the defense. I trust that He has it all worked out to bring the greatest amount of glory to His righteousness and joy to His church.

sorry but you won't be pleading anything. Your works will be your plead and your judgment! Your covering IS YOUR DEEDS!

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Revelation 12:11 (King James Version)

11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

hmmm don't think this works out for your argument!

I guess Abraham was not judged worthy or just to obtain the promise he received either right? LOL!

pelathais · #10 03-29-2010, 01:39 PM

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sorry but you won't be pleading anything. Your works will be your plead and your judgment! Your covering IS YOUR DEEDS!

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also

Revelation 12:11 (King James Version)

11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

hmmm don't think this works out for your argument!

Sorry TL, you can't shake my confidence in Jesus! What was "the word of their testimony?" Revelation 12:17 helps us with that. (This is also something you "legalists" like to avoid - the Commandments of God - Acts 15:10-20)

And the fact that... "Their testimony" IS JESUS CHRIST!

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I guess Abraham was not judged worthy or just to obtain the promise he received either right? LOL!

That is the most baffling statement that I've read today.

Genesis 15:6:

"And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he [the LORD] counted it to him for righteousness."

Galatians 3:6:

"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

This is the premier "One Stepper" illustration from the OT.

Q: What exactly did Abraham do to "become righteous?"
A: He believed God.

When you get a handle on that then you can really "LOL" - like Sarah laughed, and Mary the mother of Jesus laughed!