Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Php 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or questioning,
Php 2:15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
Php 2:16 holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run in vain or labor in vain.
So that's a Yes?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I respect your position. However, your position would be one where a person wholeheartedly, sincerely surrenders their life to Jesus Christ. Truly repents. Has a drastic change of life and receives the baptism of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, and is mightily used of God AND has been baptized in water and lives an overcoming life. AND if that person has not been baptized in Jesus' name, your position puts them in hell.
I'm sorry, the God whom I've served all these years would never pull such a dastardly trick on someone like that. But that's just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by TheLegalist
you should always be fearful and humble when in judgment.
Sorry, again, I have not an "ounce" of fear of where I'm headed when this life is over. I do not hold that position in pride in any way. I hold that position in the full confidence of the One who is able "keep me until that day." I hold His promises dear and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I were to leave this world today, I would be with Him forever!! I don not intend to just make it in. I am fully trusting in what He did for me, not in what I do in response to what He did for me.
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"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
I respect your position. However, your position would be one where a person wholeheartedly, sincerely surrenders their life to Jesus Christ. Truly repents. Has a drastic change of life and receives the baptism of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, and is mightily used of God AND has been baptized in water and lives an overcoming life. AND if that person has not been baptized in Jesus' name, your position puts them in hell.
I'm sorry, the God whom I've served all these years would never pull such a dastardly trick on someone like that. But that's just my opinion.
Sorry, again, I have not an "ounce" of fear of where I'm headed when this life is over. I do not hold that position in pride in any way. I hold that position in the full confidence of the One who is able "keep me until that day." I hold His promises dear and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I were to leave this world today, I would be with Him forever!! I don not intend to just make it in. I am fully trusting in what He did for me, not in what I do in response to what He did for me.
"Dastardly" is a matter of opinion.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I respect your position. However, your position would be one where a person wholeheartedly, sincerely surrenders their life to Jesus Christ. Truly repents. Has a drastic change of life and receives the baptism of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, and is mightily used of God AND has been baptized in water and lives an overcoming life. AND if that person has not been baptized in Jesus' name, your position puts them in hell.
I'm sorry, the God whom I've served all these years would never pull such a dastardly trick on someone like that. But that's just my opinion.
Sorry, again, I have not an "ounce" of fear of where I'm headed when this life is over. I do not hold that position in pride in any way. I hold that position in the full confidence of the One who is able "keep me until that day." I hold His promises dear and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I were to leave this world today, I would be with Him forever!! I don not intend to just make it in. I am fully trusting in what He did for me, not in what I do in response to what He did for me.
We do have confidence IN HIS FAITHFULNESS! The question is ours! Can he keep you? Sure he does as he is not negletful toward you as that is a point of his faithfulness to do what he said HE would do to give you the ability to do IF you choose to do what he wants. The contract is two sided. You have a responsibility to respond. either you are enduring and pressing to obtain or not. If you are not conerned about your response then you have major theological issues and are walking contradiction to what you previously said even at the smallest level.
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We do have confidence IN HIS FAITHFULNESS! The question is ours! Can he keep you? Sure he does as he is not negletful toward you as that is a point of his faithfulness to do what he said HE would do to give you the ability to do IF you choose to do what he wants. The contract is two sided. You have a responsibility to respond. either you are enduring and pressing to obtain or not. If you are not conerned about your response then you have major theological issues and are walking contradiction to what you previously said even at the smallest level.
I disagree in that my confidence is NOT is my performance. I do not fear my performance. It is not and never will be perfect. However, I have full confidence that He will keep me. Certainly, I must continue to yield to Him and I have utmost confidence that He will continue to answer my prayer that He strengthens me to do that. My confidence is not in MY will power, but in His keeping power. I am not concerned about my response in that respect. I do NOT believe that I can live any way that I want to and make heaven my home. However, when I make it, (and I will beyond a shadow of a doubt) it will be because of His grace and mercy.
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"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
I disagree in that my confidence is NOT is my performance. I do not fear my performance. It is not and never will be perfect. However, I have full confidence that He will keep me. Certainly, I must continue to yield to Him and I have utmost confidence that He will continue to answer my prayer that He strengthens me to do that. My confidence is not in MY will power, but in His keeping power. I am not concerned about my response in that respect. I do NOT believe that I can live any way that I want to and make heaven my home. However, when I make it, (and I will beyond a shadow of a doubt) it will be because of His grace and mercy.
If you endure and press on yes but your response still is what allows him to respond and strengthen you. You keep making it monergistic and it's not. It's his power that helps you, yes.... BUT at the same time you are the one that must seek from the heart to do. We are weak through the flesh but strong by the Spirit. We still have choice and it will be judged in the end. I agree it is always by his grace and mercy as the source of our salvation and us relying upon him. Key is we choose to... and the result of choosing will be our final judgment.
cold, lukewarm and hot... It's not just dead or alive many are called but few are chosen. Thus a lot of lukewarm...
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