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Originally Posted by pelathais
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no it's common sense that your judment will be by your deeds... THUS your "pleading" has already been done by the evidence of YOUR FAITH!
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Sorry TL, you can't shake my confidence in Jesus! What was "the word of their testimony?" Revelation 12:17 helps us with that. (This is also something you "legalists" like to avoid - the Commandments of God - Acts 15:10-20)
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Not trying to shake you confidence.... he is faithful. I question your doctrine. That is correct but they had a TESTIMONY to DO! I did not avoid any commandment. The point of
John 15 is the love unto death which is upon which all the law hangs. Thus they loved unto death. Witness and confessing is also what we are to do. Thus your "I plead the blood" is not going to be how you are saved. The pleading of your life in obedience to the contract by which he could offer through his death is what will judge you. Did you plead unto him then WITH YOUR LIFE by you deeds!?!?!
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And the fact that... "Their testimony" IS JESUS CHRIST!
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Would not disgree but the testimony is both of the Word and the Spirit which will have many applications.
He will give us what to say and do thus we aer doing his works in obedience.
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That is the most baffling statement that I've read today.
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It's because you fail to understand the whole of Abraham and what was judged.
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Genesis 15:6:
"And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he [the LORD] counted it to him for righteousness."
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context...
1) he believe the Lord and "he" and accounted(consider, think about, to judge) "it"
now what is "it" that is considered or judged as righteous?
Faith.... It does not say Abraham believe the Lord and he considered Abraham righteous. It saying he considered his "faith" as something Abraham did as righteous. Which is a judgment of action. Thus God judged that "act" of faith as a "righteous deed" just which the bible clearly teaches faith is a deed done like any other response. Was Abraham righteous in what he did? Yes! THUS the point "it" was "considered." We cannot though take away from the order by which this comes about and HOW judgment comes about.
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Gen 15:6 is a narrative comment about what would happen with the future in view per what God had JUST SAID in the previous verses! Thus his Faith being "considered" and judged complete according to JAMES at the offering of ISAAC. Also the point that it becomes "covenant" and realized at that point underscores the whole point as well.
Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son.
Gen 22:14 So Abraham called the name of that place, "The LORD will provide"; as it is said to this day, "On the mount of the LORD it shall be provided."
Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven
Gen 22:16 and said, "
By myself I have sworn(COVENANT), declares the LORD,
because you have done this and
have not withheld your son, your only son,
Gen 22:17 I will surely bless you, and
I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies, (GOD DECLARES UNDER OATH WHAT HE WOULD DO BY COVENANT)
Gen 22:18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed,
because you have obeyed my voice."
FAITH will not be judged/considered/reasoned righteous unless it is complete.
WHICH JAMES POINTS TO AS THE POINT OF REFERENCE OF GEN 15:6
Jas 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the
scripture was fulfilled (WHAT SCRIPTURE???????????)which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness
GEN 15:6) and he was called the Friend of God. (Just like JOHN 15 unto death of your will and unto his)
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified,
and not by faith only. (The scripture was fulfilled or come to pass, completed)
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; (WHAT GOD WANTED TO DO IN GEN 15:6)
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. (WHICH GOD MADE A COVENANT TO DO IN GEN 22:16 BECAUSE HE WAS JUDGED RIGHTEOUS AS GEN 15:6 SAYS)
Covenant/PROMISE did not come about WITHOUT OBEDIENCE! His realization came BECAUSE OF.... what he did.
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Galatians 3:6:
"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
This is the premier "One Stepper" illustration from the OT
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Not sure why because the text clearly doesn't teach "one" step.
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Q: What exactly did Abraham do to "become righteous?"
A: He believed God.
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1) he did not "become" his act was "judged" righteous. Thus God considered the act Abraham did as righteous. It's the most basic principle thing in the OT God does and that is justice. He judges which is a response action. God does not acquitt the ungodly but judges righteously!
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When you get a handle on that then you can really "LOL" - like Sarah laughed, and Mary the mother of Jesus laughed!
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Nothing is funny about your lack of understanding on this.
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