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Originally Posted by TheLegalist
no it's common sense that your judment will be by your deeds... THUS your "pleading" has already been done by the evidence of YOUR FAITH!
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You crack me up, Bro! "Common sense" instead of the Bible? ... especially in an area where the Bible is so verbose in contradicting your opinion here?
There is a judgment for our "works" -
1 Corinthians 3:10-15 and
2 Corinthians 5:10.
However, this thread is about salvation. In the above passages of Scripture it is plainly evident that no what the outcome of the judgment - the individuals in all of these cases are Christians and saved by the Blood of the Lamb.
The opening post asked - how did they (or do they) become saved?
Your response has been to argue that a person can do works and thus merit salvation. I asked for Scripture and you scoffed at the very thought of being asked for Scripture concerning the salvation of a believer.
I implore you to rethink your position on this matter. You appear to have wandered far astray from the teachings of Jesus Christ and His apostles.
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Originally Posted by TheLegalist
Not trying to shake you confidence.... he is faithful. I question your doctrine. That is correct but they had a TESTIMONY to DO! I did not avoid any commandment. The point of John 15 is the love unto death which is upon which all the law hangs. Thus they loved unto death. Witness and confessing is also what we are to do. Thus your "I plead the blood" is not going to be how you are saved. The pleading of your life in obedience to the contract by which he could offer through his death is what will judge you. Did you plead unto him then WITH YOUR LIFE by you deeds!?!?! |
Nope. I did would not ever consider "pleading" with God that my own deeds and works merit salvation.
Read:
Romans 3:24;
Galatians 3:22;
Galatians 6:11-12 NLT and
Galatians 6:14;
Ephesians 2:8-10;
Philippians 3:8-10;
Titus 3:3-7;
1 John 5:10-12.
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Originally Posted by TheLegalist
Would not disgree but the testimony is both of the Word and the Spirit which will have many applications.
He will give us what to say and do thus we aer doing his works in obedience.
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Hey! You're not far from the Kingdom with this one!
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Originally Posted by TheLegalist
It's because you fail to understand the whole of Abraham and what was judged.
context...
1) he believe the Lord and "he" and accounted (consider, think about, to judge) "it"
now what is "it" that is considered or judged as righteous?
Faith.... It does not say Abraham believe the Lord and he considered Abraham righteous. It saying he considered his "faith" as something Abraham did as righteous. Which is a judgment of action. Thus God judged that "act" of faith as a "righteous deed" just which the bible clearly teaches faith is a deed done like any other response. Was Abraham righteous in what he did? Yes! THUS the point "it" was "considered." We cannot though take away from the order by which this comes about and HOW judgment comes about....
Nothing is funny about your lack of understanding on this.
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Not even a "nice try" there.
YOU SAID: "
It does not say Abraham believe the Lord and he considered Abraham righteous."
GENESIS SAID:
"And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness."
PAUL SAID:
"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Q: What did Abraham do?
A: Abraham believed God.
Q: What did God do in response to Abraham's "one step" of belief?
A: God counted Abraham righteous.
Q: What happens when a New Testament Christian comes along and follows Abraham's example?
A.
Galatians 3:29
Your argument isn't with me, here. Your argument is with what Paul wrote in
Galatians 3. Pretending that those who disagree with your "works based salvation" are simply misunderstanding your exhalted form of "theology" appears to be showing the highest levels of disrespect to the plain teachings of the apostles.
If it troubles you, why don't you just tear out
Galatians 3 and any other "offending" passages of Scripture? Add that to your "works."
Me? I'll stick with Jesus because
Jesus saves!
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