The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

no actually it is Jesus who said unless you take up your cross and follow.... What would be our cross? The same cross Christ had! John 15 unto death! Thus we follow him and it is not just about him dying but our following with the same burden unto our dying.

Wait....so now it's OUR cross?

The statement is still true:

The cross of Christ alone can save.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Wait....so now it's OUR cross?

The statement is still true:

The cross of Christ alone can save.

sigh... The point was that the cross and his death is only one aspect of salvation and the cross is not simply about him dying but ALSO is a "type" in which we are to be. Thus John 15 and US doing his will as HE DID THE FATHER'S WILL! Yes the title is true but the cross of Christ is more than him simply dying but our dying as well as we take upon his cross and IF we do we abide in him as he did the Father.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

sigh... The point was that the cross and his death is only one aspect of salvation and the cross is not simply about him dying but ALSO is a "type" in which we are to be. Thus John 15 and US doing his will as HE DID THE FATHER'S WILL! Yes the title is true but the cross of Christ is more than him simply dying but our dying as well as we take upon his cross and IF we do we abide in him as he did the Father.

Illegalist, I have a question for you....if one follows the things you believe are required, what then? Do you believe there are things that must be abstained from in order to stay saved and/or things that one must do to stay saved?

For example, paying tithes...how would you describe the spiritual condition of someone who doesn't tithe?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Illegalist, I have a question for you....if one follows the things you believe are required, what then? Do you believe there are things that must be abstained from in order to stay saved and/or things that one must do to stay saved?

For example, paying tithes...how would you describe the spiritual condition of someone who doesn't tithe?

we tithe or give offering in principle being led by the Spirit. The giving is to those who need. Not a building, though that is beneficial and you should give to the building up of the body. The commandment of Christ is the basis of all law since the beginning. Mark 12:29-31 will always be true and application is always seen. His law is the same law he was judged under and we failed.

someone he doesn't tithe... Well...

1) are they following God's leading?
2) are they truly trusting in him or the flesh?

usually a person that doesn't give is failing in one of these two areas. We can give all we want but unless you are giving according to the Spirit leading you. You still could be robbing God as his will is what is perfect. If you don't know what to give 10% is always a good basis and I don't teach anything strict of what is the right amount. God will reward you and lead you seeing your reponse form the heart. God may ask you to store UP that which he has blessed you for a time of famine.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

we tithe or give offering in principle being led by the Spirit. The giving is to those who need. Not a building, though that is beneficial and you should give to the building up of the body. The commandment of Christ is the basis of all law since the beginning. Mark 12:29-31 will always be true and application is always seen. His law is the same law he was judged under and we failed.

someone he doesn't tithe... Well...

1) are they following God's leading?
2) are they truly trusting in him or the flesh?

usually a person that doesn't give is failing in one of these two areas. We can give all we want but unless you are giving according to the Spirit leading you. You still could be robbing God as his will is what is perfect. If you don't know what to give 10% is always a good basis and I don't teach anything strict of what is the right amount. God will reward you and lead you seeing your reponse form the heart. God may ask you to store UP that which he has blessed you for a time of famine.

YES!!!! I knew it!! So now tithing gets added! It never ends!

What about a lady who obeys the steps you outline and continues to cut her hair, wear makeup, and the guy who won't shave (even when he's asked to)? What is their spiritual condition?