The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[Jeffrey]

[QUOTE=TheLegalist;895923]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Also the Jews/pharisees where not obeident they negated law for there own law. Thus your point is false and has nothing to do with what I said.

That is not what I asked I said is it FORENSIC to salvation if you are saying it's not. Then you ae contradicting everything you have said. forensic = works/obediance are a only a evidence of not related to salvation. Intrinsic says they are interelated to have or obtain eternal life etc....

That's simply not true. If you trust Jesus, you obey Jesus. The thread isn't about Christian living, it's about salvation we don't deserve. Get it?

[TheLegalist]

[QUOTE=Jeffrey;895927]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

That's simply not true. If you trust Jesus, you obey Jesus. The thread isn't about Christian living, it's about salvation we don't deserve. Get it?

again YOU DON'T GET IT! To come into covenant is a promise "TO OBTAIN" BY "____________" complete salvation is not realized until the end. To come INTO COVENANT STILL DEMANDS A PROPER RESPONSE! God judges/considers/reckons it "just" or not! Baptism is your hearts response to be united with Christ in his death. It is a appointed time BY GOD to obtain not APPOINTED BY MAN!

[Jeffrey]

[QUOTE=TheLegalist;895931]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

again YOU DON'T GET IT! To come into covenant is a promise "TO OBTAIN" BY "____________" complete salvation is not realized until the end. To come INTO COVENANT STILL DEMANDS A PROPER RESPONSE! God judges/considers/reckons it "just" or not! Baptism is your hearts response to be united with Christ in his death. It is a appointed time BY GOD to obtain not APPOINTED BY MAN!

The end isn't here. We are justified now in the future. Come on, TL, you know your Pauline eschatology a little better than that.

Yes, the proper response is FAITH. God reckons it as righteousness, not "judging an action as just." You make this stuff up sometimes.

I agree with your words about baptism, btw.

Note that we OBTAIN a gift that is freely offered (not ATTAIN). It's not a gift that you have to go jump through hoops to receive. You get it. Part of having that gift may include some hoops, but it's not on lay-away!