The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

HAHAHAHAHAHA.... my friend this is THEOLOGY and DOCTRINE.... they have no friends. Get away from discussing points that war with each other and the problem is I never take anything serious and hold no grudges and love to have fun to much.... When it comes to doctrine truth cuts and does not waver and it's not a game and it's not to be taken lightly. I hope you understand.

Sure, you bonehead.

Now, why don't you do as Mike has done and come back at this issue from a "grace" point of view?

God's covenant with Abraham didn't begin until after Abraham had already been "accounted righteous." The covenant is important - it's vital! But Abe's standing with God was already established before the first "cut" in the covenant was made.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Sure, you bonehead.

Now, why don't you do as Mike has done and come back at this issue from a "grace" point of view?

God's covenant with Abraham didn't begin until after Abraham had already been "accounted righteous." The covenant is important - it's vital! But Abe's standing with God was already established before the first "cut" in the covenant was made.

it's pointless you don't hear....

Grace is simply God's favor and it is given to the humble(condition) which mean God judged the heart already.

concerning covenant... I agree it is "notofworks" or maybe it "Jeffrey"(so confusing) LOL... that you need to argue with on that. God must consider one "right" before he can even think of entering covenant. I think I have CLEARLY explained that but you ignore it. He did not enter into covenant until Abraham "did" in Gen 12 and Gen 15:8-10 for land covenant.

You also fail to recognize the point of JAMes that mental assent alone does not justify it is the corresponding action/response to the Word and it's context that God does "justice" to. Gen 15:6 is about fulfillment in the eyes of the narrator! Not a moment in time PER JAMES!

Jesus clearly teaches it is not who says yes that is just as words mean nothing. It is who does that is declared/considered righteous. A person could with all intent agree but then not do. God brings about the ability or the aspect possible for belief(Word presented/offered/made known) which then belief or faith is defined within the context. Our response must be judged (which is God's justice) by what is required and can only be judged by our deeds/response. That is the point of Gen 15:6 it is a consideration of Gen 15:8-10 all the way to Gen 22 in view. Thus BEFORE AND AFTER CIRCUMCISION! Which Pauls points focuses on the before but does not exclude the after. James brings up the whole meaning of Gen 15:6! Thus believed is continous view of what "would" be and happen.

Also simple belief in itself does not bring about covenant. Abraham life and his dealings with God clearly shows a simple action to more complex response was required to enter into covenant.