The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Okay, Pumpkinhead...

You support that charge with a sloppy hillbilly "definition" of baptismal regeneration."

You're just too think and arrogant to understand that.

No. Your opening posts on this thread were this same type of cocky bologna.

Now, you're just back to the hillbilly school of arrogance.

Read John 3:5 out loud to yourself right now. How did you say it?

No need to get childishly personal here, bro.

You falsely accuse me of erring doctrine, and then are taken back when I call you on it, and then resort to juvenile name-calling, as though I started the problem. This is what is always done when one has no actual argument.

Are you going to talk seriously and respectfully, or not? Please do not claim I believe baptismal regeneration when I lay forth a definition of it and prove it is not what I believe. I will garner some reference material again for you to realize your error of this false accusation. But please cease the juvenile name calling.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No need to get childishly personal here, bro.

Just following your lead. I thought it was the theme for today or something.

Originally Posted by mfblume

You falsely accuse me of erring doctrine, and then are taken back when I call you on it, and then resort to juvenile name-calling, as though I started the problem. This is what is always done when one has no actual argument.

Hmmm... I wonder if you have found that post yet? The one where I "falsely accuse [-you-] of erring doctrine...?"

Originally Posted by mfblume

Are you going to talk seriously and respectfully, or not? Please do not claim I believe baptismal regeneration when I lay forth a definition of it and prove it is not what I believe. I will garner some reference material again for you to realize your error of this false accusation. But please cease the juvenile name calling.

You're a real piece of work this morning Mike. You come busting in here calling me a liar. Next you play the pity card and claim that I had been persecuting you as if you were "erring."

Grow up dude. Reread the thread. You look quite silly. Oh, and find that post for me too, will ya?

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WIKIPEDIA:

Baptismal regeneration, the literal meaning of which is "being generated again" (regeneration) "through baptism" (baptismal), is the doctrine within some Christian denominations that holds that salvation is dependent upon, or more precisely, mediated through, the act of baptism; in other words, baptismal regenerationists believe that it is ordinarily necessary for one to be baptized in order to be saved. Not as a denial that faith alone saves, but as a confession of a divinely-ordained means by which the Gospel comes and creates faith. Critics of the concept frequently allege that the concept of baptismal regeneration tends to emphasize form (including the role of water) instead of meaning; supporters of the concept may identify meaning with form and cite biblical passages such as Luke 6:46.[1]

DAVE HUNT'S STUDY ON BAPTISMAL REGENERATION

Unfortunately, various innovations and heresies were gradually introduced regarding baptism: that one must be baptized to be saved-- indeed, that baptism itself saves the soul even when administered to infants. These heresies became known as the doctrine of baptismal regeneration.

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Trent [COUNCIL OF TRENT] anathematizes all who deny that "the merit of Jesus Christ is applied ... to infants by the sacrament of baptism" or who deny that by baptism "the guilt of original sin is remitted,,." (5) Today's Code of Canon Law (Canon 849) declares that those baptized are thereby "freed from their sins, are reborn as children of God and .,. incorporated in the Church. "

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For centuries before the Reformation, baptismal regeneration was rejected by Bible-believing Christians, whom the Roman Catholic Church therefore persecuted, tortured and slaughtered by the millions. Non-Catholics taught from Scripture that baptism was only for those who had believed the gospel: "teach all nations baptizing them [who have believed]" (Mt 28:19); "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized" (Acts 2: 41); "[W]hat doth hinder me to be baptized? ... If thou believest [in Christ] with all thine heart, thou mayest" (Acts 8:35-37). Infants can't believe in Christ.

"Is baptism regenerational" - by Mark Bonocore:

The vast majority of Christians (i.e. Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, etc.) believe that Baptism is regenerational -- that is to say, that the Sacrament itself transforms the person by "water and the Word," (cf. Eph 5:26) thus adopting that person into the Body of Christ and making that person a participant in the very same Sonship which Christ Himself enjoys with the Father (Romans 8:15-17, Galatians 4:6-7).

Those who claim that the belief that baptism is necessary for salvation are actually proposing baptismal regeneration do err. They do not see the all-important issue that such a doctrine believes that baptism in and of itself does a work without the need for faith. When explanations are given about how baptism cannot be done without faith and, therefore, cannot really do anything for anyone, they are ignored such as we have seen on this thread.

It becomes a

Pel, when you can cool down and stop slurring me, and become a bit more objective, let's talk some more.