I read the whole news conference thread and I learned about your beliefs. I suspected you were agnostic and now I know for sure. What do you think about people who claim to speak in tongues by divine influence and not mimickry or fleshly babble? Have you ever asked God to fill you with His spirit as a proof of His existence?
We have all been given a measure of faith and I suspect you have enough faith to ask God to fill you with His spirit.
I had forgotten all about you being agnostic until I clicked on your news conference link here then remembered that some pastor poster obviously descended from Albert Einstein started a thread not too long ago asking what we all thought about him saying he would put you on his church board then when we told him what we thought about that he got all hurt and offended and left! LOL!!!
My philosophy is "don't ask if you don't want people to tell you!!!"
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I had forgotten all about you being agnostic until I clicked on your news conference link here then remembered that some pastor poster obviously descended from Albert Einstein started a thread not too long ago asking what we all thought about him saying he would put you on his church board then when we told him what we thought about that he got all hurt and offended and left! LOL!!!
My philosophy is "don't ask if you don't want people to tell you!!!"
I didn't leave. I'm right here. I sent you three PM's that you never answered. I also spoke about it to another Admin, to which I never received an answer. Your statement above is very misrepresentative of the truth. I didn't leave and you know it.
I wasn't hurt, nor offended about your opinions concerning the board. I was hurt concerning your idiotic claims that I don't prepare for sermons and you took a cheap shot at me that I didn't deserve. You're able to call me "bizarre" (although you misspelled it) and "strange" and here in this post, "Einstein", and tell a complete untruth about me. Wonder if I could get away with that?
I didn't leave. I'm right here. I sent you three PM's that you never answered. I also spoke about it to another Admin, to which I never received an answer. Your statement above is very misrepresentative of the truth. I didn't leave and you know it.
I wasn't hurt, nor offended about your opinions concerning the board. I was hurt concerning your idiotic claims that I don't prepare for sermons and you took a cheap shot at me that I didn't deserve. You're able to call me "bizarre" (although you misspelled it) and "strange" and here in this post, "Einstein", and tell a complete untruth about me. Wonder if I could get away with that?
I don't know how you are sending messages but I have never recieved a PM from you that I recall and I just checked to make sure I had not missed them and I don't see them. Of course I could just be brain dead tonight and have forgotten. What makes me think I never got them though is that I definitely would have responded. Always have except to a few sent by folks to all the Admins on an official matter and some other admin responded first.
Sorry I forgot it was you and indeed you are still around! I am glad you are. My thoughts about your sermon prep were entirely based on your own posts and you know it. You are correct I am a terrible speller.
I did find it strange that you asked peoples opinion on that thread were you put forth the idea of agnostic Timmy serving on your church board then didn't seem to like it when most of us thought you had lost your mind. (most were too polite to put it that bluntly).
You are probably the nicest guy in the world and sincere as all get out. I would probably enjoy meeting you in person and talking with you BUT yes I find some of the things you post both bizarre and strange, even if they are misspelled!
I am glad you are here and it is the diversity of posters that makes a forum interesting. I apologize for saying you had left. I had honestly forgotten it was your screen name that would like an agnostic on their church board and no longer spends hours during the week preparing for sermons but rather spends that time with people then prepares Sunday morning.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I don't know how you are sending messages but I have never recieved a PM from you that I recall and I just checked to make sure I had not missed them and I don't see them. Of course I could just be brain dead tonight and have forgotten. What makes me think I never got them though is that I definitely would have responded. Always have except to a few sent by folks to all the Admins on an official matter and some other admin responded first.
••The first PM was sent AND read by you on March 23 and it was titled "Disappointed." The others, I didn't save.
Sorry I forgot it was you and indeed you are still around! I am glad you are. My thoughts about your sermon prep were entirely based on your own posts and you know it. You are correct I am a terrible speller.
••I made it clear that I don't spend my Saturday assembling a sermon. I said it for the context of the typo I'd made that was funny. Just because I don't spend my Saturday's assembling as sermon does not disqualify me from taking my speaking seriously. You're welcome to look up my website, call our office, get some random phone numbers of our attenders, and get their opinion on how I do.
I did find it strange that you asked peoples opinion on that thread were you put forth the idea of agnostic Timmy serving on your church board then didn't seem to like it when most of us thought you had lost your mind. (most were too polite to put it that bluntly).
••But when you commented on page 16 or so of the thread, you admitted that you hadn't read the thread and I doubt you still have. If you HAD read the thread, you'd know that it was not a finality of a decision but "based on what you know" and also an advisory position concerning compliance with IRS codes, state non-profit guidelines, and maintaining integrity and accountability in the financial structure of the church. Based on what I know, Timmy is gifted in those areas. He's an honest, forthright, compassionate person who cares deeply about others. I said in that thread that he displays more of the "Fruit of the Spirit" than many people I've worked with on boards. I also said in the thread that using him on a board of that design would be similar to using an "agnostic lawyer". But you didn't read that. You just jumped in and called me crazy. I wanted to demonstrate the "Us vs. Them" mentality that exists in the culture of Christianity.
You are probably the nicest guy in the world and sincere as all get out. I would probably enjoy meeting you in person and talking with you BUT yes I find some of the things you post both bizarre and strange, even if they are misspelled!
••They're bizarre and strange because you're not hearing the entire context. I will admit, however, that there are those who know me very well that think I'm "bizarre" and "strange". So maybe if you DID know, you'd still maintain that. I spend my entire life getting close to those who "aren't like me", I love broken people, and I'd MUCH rather have lunch with a homeless man standing on the street corner than I would want to sit at Denny's at 11pm stuffing down food with Christians after a conference service.
I am glad you are here and it is the diversity of posters that makes a forum interesting. I apologize for saying you had left. I had honestly forgotten it was your screen name that would like an agnostic on their church board and no longer spends hours during the week preparing for sermons but rather spends that time with people then prepares Sunday morning.
••But again, remember, that I told you that I spend my time EVERY DAY consuming the bible and through the process of life AND my everyday reading, I then assemble my notes at 5am Sunday. I used to read the bible looking for a sermon. I'll never do that again. I NEVER go looking for a sermon. Ever. I let God speak to me and sometimes that's when I'm driving, playing golf (I've spent entire rounds writing notes on a scorecard), or jumping out of bed at 3am to write.
If you think that's not taking it seriously, then you're welcome to your opinion.
••But again, remember, that I told you that I spend my time EVERY DAY consuming the bible and through the process of life AND my everyday reading, I then assemble my notes at 5am Sunday. I used to read the bible looking for a sermon. I'll never do that again. I NEVER go looking for a sermon. Ever. I let God speak to me and sometimes that's when I'm driving, playing golf (I've spent entire rounds writing notes on a scorecard), or jumping out of bed at 3am to write.
If you think that's not taking it seriously, then you're welcome to your opinion.
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But can you go back and read post 18 of this thread? I wrote stuff in the middle of your post.
Well, since you asked me to answer as well,....I'll answer in red with two ••'s.
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
Timmy has such a big influence on this forum, I was curious to know what Timmy actually believes.
Do you believe in God?
••Absolutely. I've struggled with it, and I investigated. I'm glad I doubted because it ended up greatly increasing my faith. I, like "Oneeyedfatman" greatly struggled with the God that pentecostalism presented me. The "charismatic" God was even worse. But the journey led me to a greatly-desired encounter with God and I've never been the same.
Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?
••I couldn't say, "No", but I struggle with major parts of the bible...the killing, the logic of things like the Ark etc., the Levitical law....The Old Testament can be rough. But I love the New Testament. I leave open the possibility that NT writers may have said uninspired things. There is also a large discussion concerning scribal additions and changes and I leave open the possibility that we don't have the pure form of the bible in it's entirety. That being said, I follow and teach the concepts of the New Testament in their entirety. One of the great attractions of this forum are the thoughts that people like Pelathias and NotForSale offer in these areas.
Do you believe in the oneness of God?
••Oh, of course. There is one God, eternally existing in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, each possessing all the attributes of Deity. There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, and these three are one! So of course I believe in the oneness of God! (I said that mostly to tweak you oneness gurus. I really see zero difference between "persons" and "manifestations." Be a "Oneness-arian" or a "Triniatrian"...I really don't care.
Do you believe acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation?
••If anything in or surrounding Acts 2:38 claimed that it was the plan of salvation, I'd be happy to believe it. Instead, I rely on places in the bible that DO claim to be the plan of salvation, and the list is too long, but I'll start with Romans 10, Ephesians 2, Acts 16.......and many, many others.
Do you believe in speaking in tongues?
••As we know it? As being an unintelligible utterance that is mostly memorized repetitions? Probably not. Do I believe things could be said in one language that people could understand that didn't speak that language? Yes. I'm aware of instances like that. Do I believe in a "prayer language" or an "Utterance of exuberant worship"? I'm honestly not sure. Well, I'm sure it's not for me, but for others? I don't know. I lean toward, "No" because I don't see the benefit nor the productivity but I'm greatly aware of how much damage it can do. In our church, it's up to the individual, but it's not something that's practiced openly in our services. We have many every week that are "Unbelievers and/or uninformed" so to do so in their presence would be a violation of scripture.
Are you a one stepper or three stepper?
••I'm a zero-stepper. Jesus took all the steps. I accepted His steps and have been ravaged by His grace, and my only real desire in this life is to see the easy yoke and the light burden of Christ rest upon every single person I ever come in contact with, whether it be my neighbors, on the golf course, at a restaurant, on vacation, on a cruise (I spent a recent cruise talking about the grace of God every night at the dinner table...they asked me), in the mall, at the drive-thru.....outside of my family, it's the only thing in this world that matters to me.
••DedicatedMind, before you want to throw me off the forum, just remember that every time one of the right-wingers on the forum starts the Obama and Pelosi bashing, I'm the first one to come to their defense! You gotta like me for that!!
Well, since you asked me to answer as well,....I'll answer in red with two ••'s.
••DedicatedMind, before you want to throw me off the forum, just remember that every time one of the right-wingers on the forum starts the Obama and Pelosi bashing, I'm the first one to come to their defense! You gotta like me for that!!
Do you believe in speaking in tongues?
••As we know it? As being an unintelligible utterance that is mostly memorized repetitions? Probably not. Do I believe things could be said in one language that people could understand that didn't speak that language? Yes. I'm aware of instances like that. Do I believe in a "prayer language" or an "Utterance of exuberant worship"? I'm honestly not sure. Well, I'm sure it's not for me, but for others? I don't know. I lean toward, "No" because I don't see the benefit nor the productivity but I'm greatly aware of how much damage it can do. In our church, it's up to the individual, but it's not something that's practiced openly in our services. We have many every week that are "Unbelievers and/or uninformed" so to do so in their presence would be a violation of scripture.
I have to say I have NEVER heard of anyone memorizing tongues. This has to be a first I have ever heard anyone say this. I also, must say IMO this is a bunch of nonesense. JMO
You can't defend the Bible but you can defend two ungodly politicans?
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