Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?
NO...Man wrote it and I really don't think it was God inspired....
Do you believe in the oneness of God?
YES!
Do you believe acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation?
No.
Do you believe in speaking in tongues?
NO... mainly cause it is not done as it was done in the bible...
Are you a one stepper or three stepper?
One Stepper.....After all it's would be kind of hard to sing Amazing Grace and be a 3 stepper cause Grace does not save you according to them...After all he died on the cross to save us of our sins...He did not die on the cross so we can jump through hoops and hurdels to be saved of our sins....
Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?
NO...Man wrote it and I really don't think it was God inspired....
I find it amazing that people profess faith in Jesus and believe the bible is not inspired. If part is wrong, then we have no basis at all to know what other part is not wrong. Cannot have it both ways. It all becomes subjective when one admits PART is wrong.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I find it amazing that people profess faith in Jesus and believe the bible is not inspired. If part is wrong, then we have no basis at all to know what other part is not wrong. Cannot have it both ways. It all becomes subjective when one admits PART is wrong.
I disagree. Pelathias explained it very well. Inspired? Yes. Infallible? No.
For it to be "Infallible" we are believing that translators are as inspired as the original authors. At that point, which translators were inspired and which weren't? The KJV people? The NIV? The NLT? There's a long list. Did ALL the translators get it right? Some of them? Who's completely inspired and who isn't?
And there are the scribal additions that are almost certainly a part of the bible we have. Were those additions inspired that made their way into the manuscripts?
I accept the bible, as a whole, that we have. My favorite translation is the original New Living Translation. I don't care as much for the Second Edition, but it's getting hard to find the original.
I disagree. Pelathias explained it very well. Inspired? Yes. Infallible? No.
For it to be "Infallible" we are believing that translators are as inspired as the original authors. At that point, which translators were inspired and which weren't? The KJV people? The NIV? The NLT? There's a long list. Did ALL the translators get it right? Some of them? Who's completely inspired and who isn't?
And there are the scribal additions that are almost certainly a part of the bible we have. Were those additions inspired that made their way into the manuscripts?
I accept the bible, as a whole, that we have. My favorite translation is the original New Living Translation. I don't care as much for the Second Edition, but it's getting hard to find the original.
Do you believe that the originals were both inspired and infallible?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Do you believe that the originals were both inspired and infallible?
Come on Timmy, don't nail me to the wall like that! I believe they were inspired. But as soon as I read them, I'll let you know if they were infallible! If they were infallible, there are some questions I need to ask God.
Come on Timmy, don't nail me to the wall like that! I believe they were inspired. But as soon as I read them, I'll let you know if they were infallible! If they were infallible, there are some questions I need to ask God.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I'll start with Leviticus. No, I'll ask about Saul being ordered to kill the women and children. No, I'll ask about all the people Samson killed. No wait, I think I'll ask about Job being the prize in a bet between God and the devil. Oh, I forgot about Abraham being tricked into thinking he had to kill his only son. Well, I'll want to know how the ark carried all those animals and the poop and the food.
DM posted a series of questions for Timmy and then said, "I would like to ask these questions of KWS and not of works also."
I would like to volunteer my answers to the same questions.
Question 1: Do you believe in God?
Answer 1: Yes
Question 2: Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?
Answer 2: Yes
Question 3: Do you believe in the oneness of God?
Answer 3: This is not as easy to answer as the first two questions. The "oneness of God" means different things to different people on this forum. We don't even agree among ourselves what "oneness" is. I believe that God is an invisible Spirit who is everywhere at all times. I believe that God visited planet earth in the person of Jesus Christ to die for our sins. I believe that Jesus rose from the dead and is seated at the right hand of the Father. I believe that Jesus lives in me as the Holy Spirit. I believe that God dwells in me; Jesus dwells in me; the Holy Spirit dwells in me; and the Spirit of the Lord dwells in me; and that He does that as a single Spirit being who has united Himself with my spirit.
Question 4: Do you believe acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation?
Answer 4: No. I believe Acts 2:38 speaks of three separate experiences: salvation/conversion; water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ; an empowering experience called the Holy Ghost Baptism or the Promise of the Father.
Question 5: Do you believe in speaking in tongues?
Answer 5: Yes
Question 6: Are you a one stepper or three stepper?
Answer 6: In the way I understand the use of the terms "one stepper" and "three stepper" as used on this forum, I would consider myself to be a one stepper.
P.S. I consider myself to be "Apostolic"
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Originally Posted by pelathais
You didn't really ask me... and I know it's because you really don't care about my feelings and such; but anyhoo...
"Timmy has such a big influence on this forum, I was curious to know what Timmy actually believes.
Do you believe in God?
YES!
Do you believe the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God?
"Inspired?"
YES!
"Infallible?"
There are differing ways in which "infallibility" is expressed. There is, for example, the doctrine of Plenary Verbal Inspiration. This means literally: Full word-by-word inspiration. I don't hold to that.
Do you believe in the oneness of God?
YES! - - But again, there are differing views of "Oneness." My own is the "correct" view.
Do you believe acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation?
No. Acts 2:21 expresses the hope and instruction for individual salvation. Acts 2:38 encapsulates the rites of "initiation" into the new life and the empowerment available to sustain that life.
Do you believe in speaking in tongues?
I have never witnessed Acts 2:4-20 occurring at any time in my life nor have I ever experienced this, so "No" if "Acts 2:4" is what you're after. On the other hand, Paul mentions "unknown tongues" and "tongues of angels" in his letter to the Corinthians. I know of no way to substantiate just what that refers to - however I have had deep Spiritual encounters where I spoke "in an unknown tongue."
Are you a one stepper or three stepper?
Acts 2:21 again. One Stepper all the way. Jesus, and Jesus only saves us; and not we ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any should boast.
I would like to ask these questions of KWS and not of works also.
Failure to respond to these questions means revoking my vote for Timmy as GS."
Sam and Pel's answers sound pretty much like I would answer. (though more eloquent)
However, I would say what may appear to be in error concerning scripture is either not attributable to the original writings, or faulty interpretation on our part.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Sam and Pel's answers sound pretty much like I would answer. (though more eloquent)
However, I would say what may appear to be in error concerning scripture is either not attributable to the original writings, or faulty interpretation on our part.
Despite what I say about the authenticity of scripture, I honestly get a little nervous when people start saying, "Well, that verse doesn't count." There are a lot of things in the Old Testament that trouble me, and even a few in the New Testament. But I LOVE the writings of Paul. James too. I love the three John books.
Despite what I say about the authenticity of scripture, I honestly get a little nervous when people start saying, "Well, that verse doesn't count." There are a lot of things in the Old Testament that trouble me, and even a few in the New Testament. But I LOVE the writings of Paul. James too. I love the three John books.
I have problems too when we who are supposed to be "people of the Book" start cutting out verses.
I have some "problems" with some stuff in the Old Testament, like "was the flood universal?" and "how did the sun stand still?" I consider myself a fundamentalist (or funnymentalist) and think of the Bible as inspired and infallible. Inspired in that the original writings were "God breathed." Infallible in that what we have today is really God's true message to us and if (notice I said IF) there are any errors they are minor enough to not make eternal differences.
I remember someone telling about a preacher who had a KJV with Roman numerals in it and he was talking about I, II, and III John and the way he said it it came out like "one eye John, two eye John, and three eye John."
I also remember as a teenager in the Baptist church sitting there with another guy I went to school with. He was looking at his KJV (that's all we used back then) and saw where it spoke about "the catholic epistle of Peter" etc. He asked, "How come our Bibles don't say 'the Baptist epistle of Peter?'"
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
I believe they were inspired. But as soon as I read them, I'll let you know if they were infallible! If they were infallible, there are some questions I need to ask God.
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