The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[mfblume]

LT,

Romans 6, which speaks of baptism by the way, teaches that we have died with Christ when baptized into His death to such a degree that we can present ourselves alive from the dead, since we died with Christ to sin and arose with Him, for God to empower us to dominate sin in our lives. Calvinism and Lutheranism deny this. But Paul said Christ died to -- of all things -- sin. And we died with Him to -- of all things -- sin.

Romans 6:10-11 KJV For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. (11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The whole point is that the work of the cross in our lives in dying with Christ, rising with Him and being seated with Him over all powers, including sin, has caused us to be veritable powerhouses if we can only accept this and act upon it by faith.

If people believe they cannot have victory over sin, they will find a way to fulfill it. We look forward to the things we expect. If we expect to sin, we will. Romans 6 removes the expectancy to sin away from us by walking through the understanding that we are dead to sin to engender faith in us, so why should we expect it to dominate us all our lives if we have HIS GRACE upon us to empower us over it?

This is the victory of the cross after the cross saved us.

I like what one teacher said. The blood was shed ON EARTH to save us, and the BLOOD IS SPRINKLED IN HEAVEN to empower us with FAITH of HIS WORK that saved us to LIKEWISE keep us above sin. Paul also called this walking after the Spirit. So long as we walk after the Spirit, and not the flesh, by not looking to the flesh to make itself ANYTHING powerful, God can continue to work as He first worked to save us. In both cases, it takes our faith.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

LT,

Romans 6, which speaks of baptism by the way, teaches that we have died with Christ when baptized into His death to such a degree that we can present ourselves alive from the dead, since we died with Christ to sin and arose with Him, for God to empower us to dominate sin in our lives. Calvinism and Lutheranism deny this. But Paul said Christ died to -- of all things -- sin. And we died with Him to -- of all things -- sin.

Romans 6:10-11 KJV For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. (11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The whole point is that the work of the cross in our lives in dying with Christ, rising with Him and being seated with Him over all powers, including sin, has caused us to be veritable powerhouses if we can only accept this and act upon it by faith.

If people believe they cannot have victory over sin, they will find a way to fulfill it. We look forward to the things we expect. If we expect to sin, we will. Romans 6 removes the expectancy to sin away from us by walking through the understanding that we are dead to sin to engender faith in us, so why should we expect it to dominate us all our lives if we have HIS GRACE upon us to empower us over it?

This is the victory of the cross after the cross saved us.

I like what one teacher said. The blood was shed ON EARTH to save us, and the BLOOD IS SPRINKLED IN HEAVEN to empower us with FAITH of HIS WORK that saved us to LIKEWISE keep us above sin. Paul also called this walking after the Spirit. So long as we walk after the Spirit, and not the flesh, by not looking to the flesh to make itself ANYTHING powerful, God can continue to work as He first worked to save us. In both cases, it takes our faith.

yep... we become new and servants of the most high God. If we are still walking in sin we are not his servant. As the Spirit will not lead us to sin. As pointed out we are now not debtors to sin anymore but to Christ by death. Which is unto covenant! Covenant brings us into a newness of purpose and life. Thus we are dead to the past and all things have become NEW IN HIM!

Rom 6:2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?

oh wait... I can't stop sinning isthe foundation of this theology and the ABOVE clearly shows Paul was showing power over such. Paul was not talking about postionally righteous but PRACTICAL righteousness that is brought about by the empowering grace we realize by coming INTO and ABIDING in him and HIM through US.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

yep... we become new and servants of the most high God. If we are still walking in sin we are not his servant. As the Spirit will not lead us to sin. As pointed out we are now not debtors to sin anymore but to Christ by death. Which is unto covenant! Covenant brings us into a newness of purpose and life. Thus we are dead to the past and all things have become NEW IN HIM!

Rom 6:2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?

oh wait... I can't stop sinning isthe foundation of this theology and the ABOVE clearly shows Paul was showing power over such. Paul was not talking about postionally righteous but PRACTICAL righteousness that is brought about by the empowering grace we realize by coming INTO and ABIDING in him and HIM through US.

AMEN!!!

It seems practical righteousness is absent from those who propose any aberrant teaching apart from the truth of the cross the bible is really trying to relate. Things practical make all the world of a difference. LORD, teach me Your Way!

So, the work of the cross saves and continues to work in victory over sin. First, victory FROM SINS, and then victory OVER SIN.

Someone once pointed out that SINS (the acts) are the issues from Romans 1 up to the middle of chapter 5, and then it switches to speak about SIN (the principle).

[notofworks]

This is funny.

Why don't you two do a couple of laps around the sanctuary and when you're finished, start shouting.



(Admin, can we please get a smilie of a guy frantically running around the church?)

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by notofworks

This is funny.

Why don't you two do a couple of laps around the sanctuary and when you're finished, start shouting.



(Admin, can we please get a smilie of a guy frantically running around the church?)

I second the motion!

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

AMEN!!!

It seems practical righteousness is absent from those who propose any aberrant teaching apart from the truth of the cross the bible is really trying to relate. Things practical make all the world of a difference. LORD, teach me Your Way!

So, the work of the cross saves and continues to work in victory over sin. First, victory FROM SINS, and then victory OVER SIN.

Someone once pointed out that SINS (the acts) are the issues from Romans 1 up to the middle of chapter 5, and then it switches to speak about SIN (the principle).

Yep.... they are stuck at the cross vs understanding of walking by thy realization of the power of the cross to do his will. there grace doesn't allow for a walk of righteousness unto faithfulness but a positional assurity without actually having to remain faithful. The cross is about empowerment not just some acquittal of sin. We are pardoned and brought unto newness of life with power over sin and the flesh. This is the GRACE of God which is by HIS power unto eternal life to them that obey.

Note: There is no acquittal of sin. Sin DID happen it's not ignored and not judged to NOT have existed and no charges found. It is rather a pardon by payment of debt.

Col 2:14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.