Ministries for women porn addicts

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think that TS would agree that someone coming of out certain sins could, possibly, be a process. Depends on the person and how deep they are into it.

And then we could take this whole conversation back to the subject of Grace, which we won't. But this shows how different people with differing perspectives on grace approach this topic differently.

TS probably also thinks they have attained perfection.

A guy with a habit of thinking about a supermodel, or a gal that thinks about Brad Pitt for a moment during sex... on their way to the hot place? How much progress do I need to show I am "in the process?" How can I be assured here that He will keep his promise of salvation to me?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

And then we could take this whole conversation back to the subject of Grace, which we won't. But this shows how different people with differing perspectives on grace approach this topic differently.

TS probably also thinks they have attained perfection.

A guy with a habit of thinking about a supermodel, or a gal that thinks about Brad Pitt for a moment during sex... on their way to the hot place? How much progress do I need to show I am "in the process?" How can I be assured here that He will keep his promise of salvation to me?

You don't know what TS thinks until he types what he thinks.

I think we all know how far we can take something like that. If I thought of Brad Pitt when I'm intimate with my husband, I'd have to be stupid to think there is nothing wrong with that. If I find myself doing something like that, I need to ask God to help me stop doing it. I think you would have to train your thoughts over and over until you stopped.

We also cannot allow condemnation to overtake us either. We have to know that we must keep trying until we have overcome the thing. We just have to keep trying.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You don't know what TS thinks until he types what he thinks.

I think we all know how far we can take something like that. If I thought of Brad Pitt when I'm intimate with my husband, I'd have to be stupid to think there is nothing wrong with that.

Sister that would be the same thing as what Jesus spoke about in Mat 5:28.
To think you were with any other man while being with your husband is spiritual adultry. Fantasy starts in the mind, but sooner than later oppurtunity makes a way for the fantasy to become physical fact.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If I find myself doing something like that, I need to ask God to help me stop doing it. I think you would have to train your thoughts over and over until you stopped.

If someone was doing something like that all they needed to do was stop.
Asking God to help us to stop, is like asking God to do something against our will. The answer from God would be...to just stop it. Being with a spouse while thoughts are on others is due to being not in love with the one your with. If John doesn't love Mary, John is going to let his mind wander. If Mary doesn't like John, then her mind is going to be on the paper back heros.

Love one another, and then you won't sin against each other.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We also cannot allow condemnation to overtake us either. We have to know that we must keep trying until we have overcome the thing. We just have to keep trying.

Children cannot pick their parents, what they get is what they get. That's too bad sometimes. Because mommy and daddys should be adult enough to at least get their act together especially for the children. Overcoming is through prayer and fasting. Dedication to God would go hand and hand to dedication to spouse and children. If a person cannot be dedicated to the person[s] he or she can see, how can they say they are dedicated to the God they cannot see?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister that would be the same thing as what Jesus spoke about in Mat 5:28.
To think you were with any other man while being with your husband is spiritual adultery. Fantasy starts in the mind, but sooner than later opportunity makes a way for the fantasy to become physical fact.

Agree!

If someone was doing something like that all they needed to do was stop.
Asking God to help us to stop, is like asking God to do something against our will. The answer from God would be...to just stop it. Being with a spouse while thoughts are on others is due to being not in love with the one your with. If John doesn't love Mary, John is going to let his mind wander. If Mary doesn't like John, then her mind is going to be on the paper back heros.

Love one another, and then you won't sin against each other.

I would have to agree. If you truly loved your spouse like you were supposed to, you wouldn't sin against them.

Children cannot pick their parents, what they get is what they get. That's too bad sometimes. Because mommy and daddys should be adult enough to at least get their act together especially for the children. Overcoming is through prayer and fasting. Dedication to God would go hand and hand to dedication to spouse and children. If a person cannot be dedicated to the person[s] he or she can see, how can they say they are dedicated to the God they cannot see?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Agree! I also agree that overcoming is through prayer and fasting.

I think we've probably said enough on this thread. Thank you for your post Bro. Benincasa.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Agree!



I would have to agree. If you truly loved your spouse like you were supposed to, you wouldn't sin against them.

So our struggle with sin is just a matter of not loving enough?

Agree! I also agree that overcoming is through prayer and fasting.
Of course. Get out the lash and whips (not for that silly... to punish your flesh into subjection of course!)

I think we've probably said enough on this thread. Thank you for your post Bro. Benincasa.

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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I would have to agree. If you truly loved your spouse like you were supposed to, you wouldn't sin against them.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

So our struggle with sin is just a matter of not loving enough?

He was talking about sexual sins against your spouse. And he had a good point. If you love your spouse like you are supposed to truly love them, you wouldn't want to hurt them. And if you loved God like you should, you wouldn't sin against Him. That's a pretty startling thing to realize, IMO. Mainly, because I think we throw the word "love" around very carelessly. We say, "I love tacos, this song, shoes, etc." and we don't realize the depth of meaning.

Of course, sinning begins with choosing to walk after the flesh and not the spirit. When we are walking after the spirit, we are not fulling the desires of the flesh. Our love can wax cold when we are carnal. Notice that wax doesn't harden right away, it is a process. Obviously, the longer that you walk after your selfish desires, you can do grave damage and love just is not involved in that kind of hurt. It has to be pure selfishness on our part.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He was talking about sexual sins against your spouse. And he had a good point. If you love your spouse like you are supposed to truly love them, you wouldn't want to hurt them. And if you loved God like you should, you wouldn't sin against Him. That's a pretty startling thing to realize, IMO. Mainly, because I think we throw the word "love" around very carelessly. We say, "I love tacos, this song, shoes, etc." and we don't realize the depth of meaning.

Of course, sinning begins with choosing to walk after the flesh and not the spirit. When we are walking after the spirit, we are not fulling the desires of the flesh. Our love can wax cold when we are carnal. Notice that wax doesn't harden right away, it is a process. Obviously, the longer that you walk after your selfish desires, you can do grave damage and love just is not involved in that kind of hurt. It has to be pure selfishness on our part.

But our issue with sin, I believe, is much deeper than love.

By the Spirit we can fully love, or are able to fully love. But by ourselves, unfortunately, love is not all we need.

I agree with your basic premise though. Especially the last part of that final paragraph.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister that would be the same thing as what Jesus spoke about in Mat 5:28.
To think you were with any other man while being with your husband is spiritual adultry. Fantasy starts in the mind, but sooner than later oppurtunity makes a way for the fantasy to become physical fact.

Are you arguing that a married couple role playing is sinful and immoral? Just wanted to be clear.


If someone was doing something like that all they needed to do was stop.
Asking God to help us to stop, is like asking God to do something against our will. The answer from God would be...to just stop it. Being with a spouse while thoughts are on others is due to being not in love with the one your with. If John doesn't love Mary, John is going to let his mind wander. If Mary doesn't like John, then her mind is going to be on the paper back heros.

The good ol' will. Doh! Jesus didn't even have to die. We could "will" our way to righteousness.
Love one another, and then you won't sin against each other.



Children cannot pick their parents, what they get is what they get. That's too bad sometimes. Because mommy and daddys should be adult enough to at least get their act together especially for the children. Overcoming is through prayer and fasting. Dedication to God would go hand and hand to dedication to spouse and children. If a person cannot be dedicated to the person[s] he or she can see, how can they say they are dedicated to the God they cannot see?
What is the topic again?
In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Wow. Spiritual bootcamp in the EB household.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Are you arguing that a married couple role playing is sinful and immoral? Just wanted to be clear.

You still haven't proved how it is normal, let alone sinful.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

The good ol' will. Doh! Jesus didn't even have to die. We could "will" our way to righteousness.
Love one another, and then you won't sin against each other.

What are you talking about here? What do you mean "will" your way to righteousness? How about understanding if a man and his wife think that porn is a good thing to spice up a marriage, will only find out that someone's feelings are going to get hurt in the long run. Role playing my be what one side is into, and the weaker side may be coerced into, but after it's all said and done someone is going to be adversely affected. So how can that be a good thing? Usually, it's the knuckle head husband who wants the role playing, and the poor woman feels the pressure to comply with her bone head ol man.

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

What is the topic again?

I guess how you believe that Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness people should be super freaks behind doors?

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Wow. Spiritual bootcamp in the EB household.

Just living a normal life.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Jeffrey]

EB

You still haven't proved how it is normal, let alone sinful.

You want me to prove role-playing and sexual games are normal? Where do you live? Also, I'm not proving they are sinful, that was your case. Not sure what you meant here.

What are you talking about here? What do you mean "will" your way to righteousness? How about understanding if a man and his wife think that porn is a good thing to spice up a marriage, will only find out that someone's feelings are going to get hurt in the long run. Role playing my be what one side is into, and the weaker side may be coerced into, but after it's all said and done someone is going to be adversely affected. So how can that be a good thing? Usually, it's the knuckle head husband who wants the role playing, and the poor woman feels the pressure to comply with her bone head ol man.

I'm talking about the idea that some think if you just "will" hard enough, you can be righteous. It's amusing, sorry.

As far as saying it's all the knucklehead husband:

1) No one should participate in anything if both parties aren't comfortable. Love and consideration here is most important.

2) You don't give women enough credit. I can't speak for other's wives... but, I think you have a dim picture of female sexuality. Or maybe my perception is just too bright. Don't know.

I guess how you believe that Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness people should be super freaks behind doors?

YES! Well... if they want to. But some on here suggest its sinful.