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05-20-2010, 10:42 PM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
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Originally Posted by notofworks
Charismatic:
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Toronto Blessing
Brownsville
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I don't necessarily disagree. Just explain the things that turn you off or what about these examples above that make you "not a Charismatic."
BT
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05-20-2010, 10:49 PM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
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In general I do not use Charismatic in a disparaging fashion.
However, I cannot identify with this at all: "...who seek an ecstatic religious experience"
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Why? Just wondering. Please explain so I can understand what you are saying. Thanks.
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Because seeking an ecstatic religious experience is quite simply not something I do.
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05-20-2010, 10:51 PM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
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Because seeking an ecstatic religious experience is quite simply not something I do.
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Do you have them, but just do not seek them or do you not have any ecstatic religious experiences?
Interesting.
BT
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"From the time you're born, 'til you ride in the hearse, there ain't nothing bad that couldn't be worse!"
LIFE: Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant!
I have ... Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia! The fear of long words.
"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave in reflection." - Thomas Paine
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05-21-2010, 06:43 AM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
BT,
I been thinkin and that is one crazy looking photo that catches my attention glaring at me, every time I see one of your posts- LOL
I very much agree with the last pragraph of Jeffery's last post.
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05-21-2010, 06:44 AM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
Over the years I have tried to find what the line between Charismatic and Pentecostal is... heres the best answer I can come up with.
Pentecostals believe that tongues is the initial sign on of the baptism of the Spirit. They also come from the groups that were formed around the Azuza street experience / Topeka, Kansas / and the early pentecostal camp meetings.
Charismatics believe that tongues is one of many evidences of being filled with the spirit. They came from whats called the "second wave" of people who were filled in the 50-80s from a variety of traditions like catholic, mainline evangelical, jesus people/hippie, and non-denominational.
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05-21-2010, 10:04 AM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
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Originally Posted by notofworks
Charismatic:
Todd Bentley
Toronto Blessing
Brownsville
Pulpits splitting
TBN
Rodney Howard Brown
A charismatic is someone I'm not! |
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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin
I don't necessarily disagree. Just explain the things that turn you off or what about these examples above that make you "not a Charismatic."
BT
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Well, let's see.....I don't kick people in the stomach like Todd Bentley, I don't bark like a dog and laugh like a hyena like the Toronto airport folks, I don't shake for 6 months straight and endless draw attention to myself rather than Christ like the folks in Brownsville, I don't claim my pulpit split in half like Tommy, I don't sell red healing hankies for $500, promise Beemers to every viewer and claim 400 billion souls like TBN, and I've never experienced holy laughter like the complete fraud Rodney Howard Brown.
How's that! 
I'm not totally sure what the absolute definition of a "Charismatic" is, but I know that when the word is spoken, it is associated with the list I just gave.
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05-21-2010, 11:51 AM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
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Originally Posted by notofworks
Well, let's see.....I don't kick people in the stomach like Todd Bentley, I don't bark like a dog and laugh like a hyena like the Toronto airport folks, I don't shake for 6 months straight and endless draw attention to myself rather than Christ like the folks in Brownsville, I don't claim my pulpit split in half like Tommy, I don't sell red healing hankies for $500, promise Beemers to every viewer and claim 400 billion souls like TBN, and I've never experienced holy laughter like the complete fraud Rodney Howard Brown.
How's that!
I'm not totally sure what the absolute definition of a "Charismatic" is, but I know that when the word is spoken, it is associated with the list I just gave. |
Good response. And I'm aware that all those things are going on and I want no part of them either. But, does anyone know of any "Charismatics" that don't fall into those categories? Are there "any" Charismatics that you would associate with and fellowship?
BeenThinkin
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"From the time you're born, 'til you ride in the hearse, there ain't nothing bad that couldn't be worse!"
LIFE: Some days you're the dog and some days you're the hydrant!
I have ... Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia! The fear of long words.
"Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra
"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave in reflection." - Thomas Paine
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05-21-2010, 12:04 PM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin
Good response. And I'm aware that all those things are going on and I want no part of them either. But, does anyone know of any "Charismatics" that don't fall into those categories? Are there "any" Charismatics that you would associate with and fellowship?
BeenThinkin
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Its just a term, just like Pentecostal is a term. In fact AOG churches that I visit (which are the definition of Pentecostal for most of mainstream america) for the most part have little in common with UPCI churches in the way they do their approach to ministry, music styles, and attitude. And we are only separated from them by less than 80 years of history, we used to be the same.
The spectrum of spirit filled churches is as wide as the type of catholic churches from nation to nation and diocese to diocese.
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05-21-2010, 12:44 PM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
A form of godliness but denying the power therof.
Thats a good discrpition. Some have "tounge" classes to teach how to speak in tongues.
People like BennyHinn show what todays "charismatics" are.
Claim to be spirit filled, but have no power of God. Majority embrace trinity doctrine & baptism.
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05-21-2010, 12:51 PM
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Re: What Is A "Charismatic?"
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Originally Posted by UltraCon
A form of godliness but denying the power therof.
Thats a good discrpition. Some have "tounge" classes to teach how to speak in tongues.
People like BennyHinn show what todays "charismatics" are.
Claim to be spirit filled, but have no power of God. Majority embrace trinity doctrine & baptism.
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IT depends, its easy to take 1 bad example and tar thousands of churches.
When I was in Houston I sometimes went to the Lakewood service on Saturday evening just to catch a vision of how big a church can get and to raid their literature rack to get ideas on design and such for the church I was helping at.
They have a once a month class that teaches people how to receive the Holy Spirit (Ghost). I was planning on attending it, based on how it read in the brochure it discussed tongues being the initial sign, the difference between the initial utterance and its usage as a private prayer language vs. interpretation of tongues. It was a 90 minute class... based on the stylus of it.. it seemed pretty well rounded.
I don't see the difference between that and the later lessons of Search for Truth that discuss the exact same issues.
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