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Old 05-21-2010, 08:56 AM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?

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I let the annointed man of God call the name of Jesus for me as he buried me in the water as not to suck water into my lungs...
Too bad that's not biblical. Notice that Paul was baptized differently...
Acts 22:16 (King James Version)
16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Ananias told Paul to call on the name of the Lord himself when he was baptized. Ananias didn't call the name of Jesus for Paul like our preachers do today. Sadly...we get the mindset I see here. Reverence toward the priest speaking the liturgy, not a one on one call for remission between you and the Lord. If YOU didn't call on the name of Jesus... you only got wet.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:04 AM
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Too bad that's not biblical. Notice that Paul was baptized differently...
Acts 22:16 (King James Version)
16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Ananias told Paul to call on the name of the Lord himself when he was baptized. Ananias didn't call the name of Jesus for Paul like our preachers do today. Sadly...we get the mindset I see here. Reverence toward the priest speaking the liturgy, not a one on one call for remission between you and the Lord. If YOU didn't call on the name of Jesus... you only got wet.
Yep. Some folks just aren't hyperliteral enough.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:16 AM
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Re: Are Trinitarians Saved?

Oh well, time for the old easy-believism, greasy grace, sloppy agape, Bapticostal, PCI one-stepper to say again, "The condition of the heart of the one baptized is far more important than the words spoken or the amount of water used in the ritual."

Earlier today I remember reading about a Pentecostal (or would we call him Charismatic since he's AG?) minister who witnessed to a young man while crossing the desert in the western U.S. He witnessed to him and the man believed in Jesus and committed his life to Him. The minister used a bottle of Evian (I think that was the brand) water to "baptize" him and they went on their separate ways. Now, my Baptist and OP background had some twinges when I read about that "baptism." I thought, well, that might be all right if both the minister and the candidate went down into the water bottle for the baptism like Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts chapter 8, but, I calmed down afterward and figured, that's really between them and the Lord.

We can sure be just as straight and true as a gun barrel and at the same time be just as empty and cold if we are not careful.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:16 AM
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Am I the only one who believes salvation is simple that even an uneducated illiterate idiot can be saved? What about deaf and mute people are the just outa luck?? They are not able to call on any name and they would just have to trust someone is saying the name Jesus over them!! One does not have to disect and cross reference every word of the Bible with 47 Hebrew and Greek scholars!
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:17 AM
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Am I the only one who believes salvation is simple that even an uneducated illiterate idiot can be saved? What about deaf and mute people are the just outa luck?? They are not able to call on any name and they would just have to trust someone is saying the name Jesus over them!! One does not have to disect and cross reference every word of the Bible with 47 Hebrew and Greek scholars!
IMHO, salvation is just accepting a gift God offers. It is an inward surrender of the heart and will.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:38 AM
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Am I the only one who believes salvation is simple that even an uneducated illiterate idiot can be saved? What about deaf and mute people are the just outa luck?? They are not able to call on any name and they would just have to trust someone is saying the name Jesus over them!! One does not have to disect and cross reference every word of the Bible with 47 Hebrew and Greek scholars!

It is possible to make a strong stand and at the same time not doom others to hell who happen to not agree with you.


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It is possible to make a strong stand and at the same time not doom others to hell who happen to not agree with you.


I wish that more would learn this truth!
Jesus and the apostles had some strong words for those who went against their teachings. Paul turned people over to Satan, disfellowshipped individuals, warned chruches against those who greatly withstood his words.
Peter also made a comment that there were those who wrested the scripture and Paul's writings, and therefore led themselves to their own destruction.
John warned of false prophets and that the church should try their spirits to see if they were of God. John in Rev 2:2 commends the church for trying those who said they were apostles and were not and found them to be liars.

Tit 3:10-11

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."


It was two strikes and they were out?

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Jesus and the apostles had some strong words for those who went against their teachings. Paul turned people over to Satan, disfellowshipped individuals, warned chruches against those who greatly withstood his words.
Peter also made a comment that there were those who wrested the scripture and Paul's writings, and therefore led themselves to their own destruction.
John warned of false prophets and that the church should try their spirits to see if they were of God. John in Rev 2:2 commends the church for trying those who said they were apostles and were not and found them to be liars.

Tit 3:10-11

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."


It was two strikes and they were out?

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Your application of the scriptures quoted would doom just about all of the Christians to hell-- except for Apostolics, and maybe not even half of us.

You are so serious about this too!

I don't see how I could have ever thought like you.

I don't know how I ever will think like that again.

Quite honestly, I don't want to.
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Your application of the scriptures quoted would doom just about all of the Christians to hell-- except for Apostolics, and maybe not even half of us.

You are so serious about this too!

I don't see how I could have ever thought like you.

I don't know how I ever will think like that again.

Quite honestly, I don't want to.
Wow, you are very thin-skinned.
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