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Old 05-21-2010, 12:55 PM
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Re: Let's talk about Baptism.

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Are people going to hell if they do not get baptized in the Name of Jesus?

Does it matter how your baptized?

Is baptism essential to salvation?
Its easier to ask a question than give a answer, so I will ask you a question.

One of my IBC room mates was converted during the first Iraq war by one of our chaplains. They were in the middle of the deep desert with very strict water rationing, in fact fellow marines donated their water rations to help this event out. He was baptized with a helmet filled with water in the name of Jesus by a UPCI chaplain.

If he had caught a bullet the next day would have my friend been given full baptisimal regeneration or was he just getting wet in the middle of the desert?

Answer that and I will fully indulge you in this conversation till we get to page 100+.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:48 PM
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Its easier to ask a question than give a answer, so I will ask you a question.

One of my IBC room mates was converted during the first Iraq war by one of our chaplains. They were in the middle of the deep desert with very strict water rationing, in fact fellow marines donated their water rations to help this event out. He was baptized with a helmet filled with water in the name of Jesus by a UPCI chaplain.

If he had caught a bullet the next day would have my friend been given full baptisimal regeneration or was he just getting wet in the middle of the desert?

Answer that and I will fully indulge you in this conversation till we get to page 100+.
Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

But given the circumstances, they tried their best to obey. If he made it to a place of water, I would reccomend getting baptized by immersion.

On one hand, if this man is sincere & spirit filled, I would think the Lord would let him survive until able to be baptized regular. If the man does die the next day, I would assume the helmet worked.

This is the best answer I can give you.
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Old 05-21-2010, 03:00 PM
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Re: Let's talk about Baptism.

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Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

But given the circumstances, they tried their best to obey. If he made it to a place of water, I would reccomend getting baptized by immersion.

On one hand, if this man is sincere & spirit filled, I would think the Lord would let him survive until able to be baptized regular. If the man does die the next day, I would assume the helmet worked.

This is the best answer I can give you.
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Old 05-21-2010, 03:09 PM
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Re: Let's talk about Baptism.

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Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

But given the circumstances, they tried their best to obey. If he made it to a place of water, I would reccomend getting baptized by immersion.

On one hand, if this man is sincere & spirit filled, I would think the Lord would let him survive until able to be baptized regular. If the man does die the next day, I would assume the helmet worked.

This is the best answer I can give you.
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Old 05-21-2010, 03:11 PM
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Re: Let's talk about Baptism.

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Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

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Nor by putting them an inch or two underground, normally. Shouldn't a baptism be submerged to a depth of 6 feet? Wait. You don't bury the dead in water, at all! Better use dirt!
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Re: Let's talk about Baptism.

Jesus wasn't buried in no dirt.


....and...how did I get to be the first post on both page 4 and page 5? Could this mean something?

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Re: Let's talk about Baptism.

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Jesus wasn't buried in no dirt.


....and...how did I get to be the first post on both page 4 and page 5? Could this mean something?
maybe it means you are seeking something....
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Jesus wasn't buried in no dirt.


....and...how did I get to be the first post on both page 4 and page 5? Could this mean something?
Good point! For the very best chance of success, if you really want to use water, a baptism should consist of entering and exiting an ice cave.
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Good point! For the very best chance of success, if you really want to use water, a baptism should consist of entering and exiting an ice cave.
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Well to be honest, i'm unsure. I would hope yes!
But the only reason I am bothered is by the fact that "Baptisim" means "To make fully Wet" that is full immersion.

The Biblical mode was immersion, which is one of the reason's its typed with "burying".
You don't bury the dead by pouring a bucket of dirt on their head.

But given the circumstances, they tried their best to obey. If he made it to a place of water, I would reccomend getting baptized by immersion.

On one hand, if this man is sincere & spirit filled, I would think the Lord would let him survive until able to be baptized regular. If the man does die the next day, I would assume the helmet worked.

This is the best answer I can give you.
Mr. Cox's rating goes up another notch. A well put response.
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