Let's talk about Baptism.

jfrog · #1 05-24-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

If you don't believe Jesus being the only way, then why would you be baptized in his name? I am baptized in Jesus name and believe he is the only way to get to heaven...his titles describe him...his name is what we call on. Too many scriptures to reference on that and everyone here knows what they are anyway...why refuse the name? What's the point of insisting on the titles and not taking the name in baptism?

The guilt trip stuff gets old. NO ONE THAT IS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST IS REFUSING THE NAME OF JESUS. Likewise those baptized that way all believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven.

I'll go ahead and give another of my opinions. Apostolics are so hard on Jesus name baptism for the sole reason that because if Jesus name is how baptism must administered then this affirms the oneness message.

Falla39 · #2 05-24-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

The guilt trip stuff gets old. NO ONE THAT IS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST IS REFUSING THE NAME OF JESUS. Likewise those baptized that way all believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven.

I'll go ahead and give another of my opinions. Apostolics are so hard on Jesus name baptism for the sole reason that because if Jesus name is how baptism must administered then this affirms the oneness message.

Then why are Trinitarians so hard on being baptized in the titles! Someone is
WRONG!!!

jfrog · #3 05-24-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

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Then why are Trinitarians so hard on being baptized in the titles! Someone is
WRONG!!!

I never said they had the right motives with their baptism formula either. I believe too many have tied the baptism formula into the godhead. That is not what baptism is or ever was about.

By the way if I heard a trinitarian saying baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost was the only proper mode I would be on him just as much.

Do I believe that there are multiple proper modes? I believe that the bible is not specific on what if any words ought to be said over a person being baptized. Since the bible is silent on the subject then I think we ought to be also. So yes I do believe that since the bible is not specific that God will honor either mode a person is baptized in.

Falla39 · #4 05-25-2010, 07:08 AM

[QUOTE=jfrog;915568]I never said they had the right motives with their baptism formula either. I believe too many have tied the baptism formula into the godhead. That is not what baptism is or ever was about.

By the way if I heard a trinitarian saying baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost was the only proper mode I would be on him just as much.

Do I believe that there are multiple proper modes? I believe that the bible is not specific on what if any words ought to be said over a person being baptized. Since the bible is silent on the subject then I think we ought to be also. So yes I do believe that since the bible is not specific that God will honor either mode a person is baptized in.[/QUOTE]

Since you believe the Bible is silent on the subject, go ahead and work out
your own salvation. Except we humble ourselves and become as little children
and that doesn't mean to be willing ignorant. But open, sincere and honest
hearted. May God help you.

jfrog · #5 05-25-2010, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I never said they had the right motives with their baptism formula either. I believe too many have tied the baptism formula into the godhead. That is not what baptism is or ever was about.

By the way if I heard a trinitarian saying baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost was the only proper mode I would be on him just as much.

Do I believe that there are multiple proper modes? I believe that the bible is not specific on what if any words ought to be said over a person being baptized. Since the bible is silent on the subject then I think we ought to be also. So yes I do believe that since the bible is not specific that God will honor either mode a person is baptized in.[/QUOTE]

Since you believe the Bible is silent on the subject, go ahead and work out
your own salvation. Except we humble ourselves and become as little children
and that doesn't mean to be willing ignorant. But open, sincere and honest
hearted. May God help you.

You forgot the "cause Lord knows you need it part".

Timmy · #6 05-25-2010, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Since you believe the Bible is silent on the subject, go ahead and work out
your own salvation. Except we humble ourselves and become as little children
and that doesn't mean to be willing ignorant. But open, sincere and honest
hearted. May God help you.

I doubt you meant it this way, but this sounds like we are just supposed to make things up, if they aren't in the Bible but we think they should have been. (But it's true that a lot of people do just that!)

Falla39 · #7 05-25-2010, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

I doubt you meant it this way, but this sounds like we are just supposed to make things up, if they aren't in the Bible but we think they should have been. (But it's true that a lot of people do just that!)

If he honestly believes the Bible is silent on the subject, he is not Apostolic and I don't see that I can help him. We all need God's help.

Timmy · #8 05-25-2010, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

If he honestly believes the Bible is silent on the subject, he is not Apostolic and I don't see that I can help him. We all need God's help.

OK, that's different.

You believe the Bible is not silent on this? Where does it describe what is said by a baptizer?