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Originally Posted by mizpeh
That's because I do have a different view of salvation than you which I am not ready to let go of, but there are people here who are smarter than I am and who have more knowledge of the Bible than I do and I would like this discussion to be more than just about Acts 2:38.
You aren't doing a good job proving your case. (IMO) I want to give you more ammunition so you can bring out those who can prove how and when we are justified...made right with God and if this is the same as being forgiven or having our sins remitted.
There have been a couple of questions on this forum that were never answered adequately by "PAJCers" ie: Romans 10 Why doesn't this word of faith which we preach include Acts 2:38 instead of just belief and confession? or the question of Abraham being accounted righteous by faith before circumcision. I have some thoughts on these but I'm not sure, yet.
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We have discussed the when and how of justification and remission at length ... in various threads ... especially here ...
Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?
Apostolics ... even PAJCers disagree on the when and how of justification and remission.
And yes there are gaping holes in the Water and Spirit doctrine when faced w/ a variety of scriptures ... they cannot explain away.