How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost? - Page 12

tv1a · #1 06-08-2010, 05:00 PM

I've noticed some assume a person has repented if they speak in tongues. No wonder this thread drags on.

berkeley · #2 06-02-2010, 05:39 PM

More than 20 times, really?? Wow, all I can say is ya'll must have been real deep in S-I-N...
sinny-sin-sin, as Bernie Mac put it!

(kidding)

Brad Murphy · #3 06-03-2010, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Berkley

More than 20 times, really?? Wow, all I can say is ya'll must have been real deep in S-I-N...
sinny-sin-sin, as Bernie Mac put it!

(kidding)

Yeah, at 10 or 12 years old I was involved in a lot of sin... I think watching Dukes of Hazzard on television at my grandpa's house on Friday nights or wishing that I could go without my shirt like all the other neighborhood boys must have really been horrible in the eyes of God... after begging and pleading for months or possibly years as per the formula I eventually spoke in tongues, but I don't remember the specific date or even where it was at for that matter (since everyone else seems to remember the exact moment it happened).

Timmy · #4 06-03-2010, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

Yeah, at 10 or 12 years old I was involved in a lot of sin... I think watching Dukes of Hazzard on television at my grandpa's house on Friday nights or wishing that I could go without my shirt like all the other neighborhood boys must have really been horrible in the eyes of God... after begging and pleading for months or possibly years as per the formula I eventually spoke in tongues, but I don't remember the specific date or even where it was at for that matter (since everyone else seems to remember the exact moment it happened).

And I bet you don't remember all the sins that you finally repented of!

Brad Murphy · #5 06-03-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

And I bet you don't remember all the sins that you finally repented of!

Being totally serious here... even at that age I tried to word things as blanket statements to make sure things would be covered,

"God, please forgive me if I have sinned and didn't realize I sinned and for anything else I may have done wrong, or if even thinking this or praying this way is wrong forgive me for that too.".

deltaguitar · #6 06-03-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

Yeah, at 10 or 12 years old I was involved in a lot of sin... I think watching Dukes of Hazzard on television at my grandpa's house on Friday nights or wishing that I could go without my shirt like all the other neighborhood boys must have really been horrible in the eyes of God... after begging and pleading for months or possibly years as per the formula I eventually spoke in tongues, but I don't remember the specific date or even where it was at for that matter (since everyone else seems to remember the exact moment it happened).

I finally just admitted that I never really spoke in tongues. Maybe I did at one time or another but I am honestly not 100% sure that I ever did.

Timmy · #7 06-02-2010, 05:43 PM

Around here, Occam would have a beard.

Jeffrey · #8 06-02-2010, 10:43 PM

I also think he was speaking of Holy Spirit baptism.

Our only point of contention, if we even call it that because I'm certainly not certain myself, is with these points:

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It is a promise. Do this and that and this other thing will happen.

EDIT: It also never says the other thing won't happen if you don't do the other 2 things.

I agree it's a promise, but not necessarily "do this and I'll do this" in form. However, there is certainly an element of "do this and this and this, and you will receive this." So I see where you are coming from. You also state this it doesn't conclude "if you don't do this and this, this won't be given to you," but that would be a logical conclusion if you accepted the conditional status of the former.

Timmy · #9 06-02-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I also think he was speaking of Holy Spirit baptism.

Our only point of contention, if we even call it that because I'm certainly not certain myself, is with these points:

I agree it's a promise, but not necessarily "do this and I'll do this" in form. However, there is certainly an element of "do this and this and this, and you will receive this." So I see where you are coming from. You also state this it doesn't conclude "if you don't do this and this, this won't be given to you," but that would be a logical conclusion if you accepted the conditional status of the former.

Not using real logic, it wouldn't.

If the condition isn't met, there is no implication, either way, for the result: it may or may not happen.

Jeffrey · #10 06-02-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Not using real logic, it wouldn't.

If the condition isn't met, there is no implication, either way, for the result: it may or may not happen.

If someone says do A and I'll give you B, one can easily imply that if they don't do A, they won't get B.

How can you say there's no implication.
If i say "Timmy, post this flyer in the state capital of all 50 states and I'll give you 1 million dollars", it's pretty much implied that if you don't post the flyer in all 50 states, that I won't give you the million dollars. I wouldn't have to make that qualification when making the deal.

This assumes the million dollars can't be received from another person independent of this offer, and that I hold all exclusivity of currency (to even up the score, since God is the only one who can baptize another with the Spirit).