I know that those Aussies are an informal bunch - but I have a hard time picturing the surgeons standing there with their huge Crocodile Dundee bush knives in hand and getting ready to gut poor Lee with "Pastor Slack" in the operating theater as well, when the good pastor saves our suffering protagonist from the Fosters drinking slashers.
Could have been ICU or the Dr could have been conferring with the pastor outside
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Could have been ICU or the Dr could have been conferring with the pastor outside
Why exactly would a a Dr. confer with a non-family member concerning medical treatment? Lee was a "foreigner" there and had no family close by - but still, is it really customary to consult with a lay person concerning the critical care of a patient?
The whole story reads as though it were an elaborate gloss of what really happened. It also contains a great number of "couches" where the writer proclaims the "miraculous" took place while simultaneously leaving the door open for more naturalist explanations.
In other words, it's about as hyped as his "Ph.Ds".
Why exactly would a a Dr. confer with a non-family member concerning medical treatment? Lee was a "foreigner" there and had no family close by - but still, is it really customary to consult with a lay person concerning the critical care of a patient?
The whole story reads as though it were an elaborate gloss of what really happened. It also contains a great number of "couches" where the writer proclaims the "miraculous" took place while simultaneously leaving the door open for more naturalist explanations.
In other words, it's about as hyped as his "Ph.Ds".
I don't know. Was it a lay person? I heard, as the story went, that it was the pastor of a church there in Australia
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I don't know. Was it a lay person? I heard, as the story went, that it was the pastor of a church there in Australia
A local pastor would be considered a "layperson" to those within the medical field in a manner similar to the laity/clergy relationships within the church.
In any event, I am expressing skepticism that the local pastor - however well meaning and well intentioned his input might have been - had no real impact on the prescribed medical treatments.
Someone earlier had questioned the Aussie docs for not going forth with "cutting the patient open" when the pastor had said, "No! Let's pray instead..." My response was intended to assure the other poster that the Aussie doctors were in all likelihood not swayed away from taking whatever prudent action they thought was necessary. LS's high praise of all the medical folks involved seems to offer something of an overriding indicator here, at least IMHO.
A local pastor would be considered a "layperson" to those within the medical field in a manner similar to the laity/clergy relationships within the church.
In any event, I am expressing skepticism that the local pastor - however well meaning and well intentioned his input might have been - had no real impact on the prescribed medical treatments.
Someone earlier had questioned the Aussie docs for not going forth with "cutting the patient open" when the pastor had said, "No! Let's pray instead..." My response was intended to assure the other poster that the Aussie doctors were in all likelihood not swayed away from taking whatever prudent action they thought was necessary. LS's high praise of all the medical folks involved seems to offer something of an overriding indicator here, at least IMHO.
That poster's concern wasn't only in the accuracy of the narrative, but also (and mostly) that some people reading it might follow its example.
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That poster's concern wasn't only in the accuracy of the narrative, but also (and mostly) that some people reading it might follow its example.
I liked the cartoonish image I tried to paint of the "Crocodile Dundee" slasher/doctors combating with the "local pastor" over whether or not to carve the unfortunate patient open... those Aussies are a crazed bunch!
I am glad, however, and will continue to hope that all of these parties are doing well and in good health, no matter in what fashion that health was achieved.
I share a lot of your skepticism in matters like these, Timmy, but the overall tone of the "testimony" does make me feel rather certain that any of LS's acolytes who might read this will NOT forsake the counsel of their doctors when needed.
I liked the cartoonish image I tried to paint of the "Crocodile Dundee" slasher/doctors combating with the "local pastor" over whether or not to carve the unfortunate patient open... those Aussies are a crazed bunch!
I am glad, however, and will continue to hope that all of these parties are doing well and in good health, no matter in what fashion that health was achieved.
I share a lot of your skepticism in matters like these, Timmy, but the overall tone of the "testimony" does make me feel rather certain that any of LS's acolytes who might read this will NOT forsake the counsel of their doctors when needed.
Hope you're right.
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A local pastor would be considered a "layperson" to those within the medical field in a manner similar to the laity/clergy relationships within the church.
In any event, I am expressing skepticism that the local pastor - however well meaning and well intentioned his input might have been - had no real impact on the prescribed medical treatments.
Someone earlier had questioned the Aussie docs for not going forth with "cutting the patient open" when the pastor had said, "No! Let's pray instead..." My response was intended to assure the other poster that the Aussie doctors were in all likelihood not swayed away from taking whatever prudent action they thought was necessary. LS's high praise of all the medical folks involved seems to offer something of an overriding indicator here, at least IMHO.
When you said Lay person I thought you were talking ecclesiastics
BTW are the people that are conveying this story here going off transcripts of LS's words?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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