UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

Pressing-On · #1 07-13-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

But "child molestation and bestiality" as well? When some one is so enraged that they're about to make those sorts of accusations they need to sit down. Period.

Pel,
It appeared to me that he spoke on what he thought were sexual sins and said she committed ONE of those.

One thing I do agree with everyone on - we need to be very careful how we address any type of sin over the pulpit. If it is done in love, that is a different story. On another token, a person who is engaging in sin and doesn't want to let go is going to be offended and it wouldn't matter how much you loved them or how careful you were in the handling.

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My point all along is that there was no need to justify the pending romance of the preacher's daughter and the divorced man. The problem is that we have a culture that is built upon SELF justification AND NOT the free and gracious justification that is available through Jesus Christ. By all accounts the "divorced man" was a "victim of divorce!" The manual already handles that. Let it be!

Someone here has gotten the Gospel wrong and it has cost us over $500,000. How much has this bad theology cost us over the course of the last 65 years?

You don't know if that was what he was doing and neither do I. Again, he should have been more careful, but we don't really know the whole story. Everything is simply speculation.

pelathais · #2 07-13-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Pel,
It appeared to me that he spoke on what he thought were sexual sins and said she committed ONE of those.

One thing I do agree with everyone on - we need to be very careful how we address any type of sin over the pulpit. If it is done in love, that is a different story. On another token, a person who is engaging in sin and doesn't want to let go is going to be offended and it wouldn't matter how much you loved them or how careful you were in the handling.

Well yeah, but... If the "sin" was cutting one's feminine tresses and wearing skirts that rode up above the knee, BUT the "sin" being denounced from the pulpit was having carnal knowledge with the county's livestock then I'd understand a bit of uppitiness coming from the erring sister.

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You don't know if that was what he was doing and neither do I. Again, he should have been more careful, but we don't really know the whole story. Everything is simply speculation.

We know that the quotes about "child molestation and bestiality" were both recorded and presented as evidence in a court of law. We know that the defendant made no claims in court denying that he had said those things. We know that the defendant's only defense was a First Amendment defense of "free speech" while in the pulpit of his church.

Pressing-On · #3 07-13-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Well yeah, but... If the "sin" was cutting one's feminine tresses and wearing skirts that rode up above the knee, BUT the "sin" being denounced from the pulpit was having carnal knowledge with the county's livestock then I'd understand a bit of uppitiness coming from the erring sister.

We know that the quotes about "child molestation and bestiality" were both recorded and presented as evidence in a court of law. We know that the defendant made no claims in court denying that he had said those things. We know that the defendant's only defense was a First Amendment defense of "free speech" while in the pulpit of his church.

He listed nine forms of fornication and said that she had committed one of them. And he does have free speech in his pulpit. I'm glad he did say that. If he's mean and overbearing, we can always find another church.

The woman still was in a compromising situation. I'm not going to look past that. Sorry.

*AQuietPlace* · #4 07-13-2010, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He listed nine forms of fornication and said that she had committed one of them. And he does have free speech in his pulpit. I'm glad he did say that. If he's mean and overbearing, we can always find another church.

The woman still was in a compromising situation. I'm not going to look past that. Sorry.

But you're willing to look past the fact that a man and his pastor distorted the meaning of fornication just so that man could divorce and remarry?

Pressing-On · #5 07-13-2010, 09:32 PM

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But you're willing to look past the fact that a man and his pastor distorted the meaning of fornication just so that man could divorce and remarry?

I'm looking at what was wrong with her that she would show up dressed like that? Something isn't right there. I could see the pastor and husband furious over her actions. Even if she wasn't in church and he was, he isn't going to be happy with her. She isn't being loyal to him. There was a separation in lifestyle and commitment. Something was not being equally yoked.

DAII · #6 07-13-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm looking at what was wrong with her that she would show up dressed like that? Something isn't right there. I could see the pastor and husband furious over her actions. Even if she wasn't in church and he was, he isn't going to be happy with her. She isn't being loyal to him. There was a separation in lifestyle and commitment. Something was not being equally yoked.

Again it seems to hold true with females ...

but if her husband had "backslid" and gone to the beach in just his shorts and chugged down beers every Sunday ...

Mrs. Driver would be told to "hold on" to God while venerated as a pious Pentecostal saint with no talk about divorce.

Charnock · #7 07-13-2010, 09:35 PM

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Again it seems to hold true with females ...

but if her husband had backslid and gone to the beach in just his shorts and chugged down beers every Sunday ...

Mrs. Driver would be told to "hold on" to God.

Now that's the unmitigated truth right there.

DAII · #8 07-13-2010, 09:46 PM

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Again it seems to hold true with females ...

but if her husband had "backslid" and gone to the beach in just his shorts and chugged down beers every Sunday ...

Mrs. Driver would be told to "hold on" to God while venerated as a pious Pentecostal saint with no talk about divorce or fornication.

Bump.

*AQuietPlace* · #9 07-13-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm looking at what was wrong with her that she would show up dressed like that? Something isn't right there. I could see the pastor and husband furious over her actions. Even if she wasn't in church and he was, he isn't going to be happy with her. She isn't being loyal to him. There was a separation in lifestyle and commitment. Something was not being equally yoked.

Sure.

But still not adultery.

Possibly headed that way? Could be. But you don't have grounds for divorce based on what could happen.

Cindy · #10 07-13-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm looking at what was wrong with her that she would show up dressed like that? Something isn't right there. I could see the pastor and husband furious over her actions. Even if she wasn't in church and he was, he isn't going to be happy with her. She isn't being loyal to him. There was a separation in lifestyle and commitment. Something was not being equally yoked.

Maybe she repented and was forgiven by the time the pastor brought it public. Let's face it PO, he was not in any way looking out for anyone's interest other than his daughter's. And what do we know about the marriage other than the wife once wore a bikini? What about the husband, was he totally innocent in the divorce?