uh pretty simple... God had a actual Son in whom that Son realized the very authentic expression of God's nature in him in that they where one. Yet he grew in knowledge and obedience by what he experienced. God HAS A SON and the very source of the SONS deity is that of the divine indwelling that is part of his nature. He learns and thirsts yet he gives everlasting truth and living water. That they may be one as we are one. In the end when we are glorified this will be complete!
Nothing you said after "pretty simple" was pretty simple.
Nothing you said after "pretty simple" was pretty simple.
Just an FYI.
I don't see it as difficult to understand. Think of you being one with God in which you and him are in perfect interaction and he is the very part of your being. God had a Son who was the very expression of himself his nature/image into flesh. This child who's being is the result of this was like us but with perfect relationship in which he breathed the Father as part of this very being and the Father was one and Jesus could truly say I and my Father are ONE. Sorry not difficult at all.
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I don't see it as difficult to understand. Think of you being one with God in which you and him are in perfect interaction and he is the very part of your being. God had a Son who was the very expression of himself his nature/image into flesh. This child who's being is the result of this was like us but with perfect relationship in which he breathed the Father as part of this very being and the Father was one and Jesus could truly say I and my Father are ONE. Sorry not difficult at all.
If I am "one with God" (I take that to mean in unity?), then we are still two separate people. Like a husband and wife, joined together and are "one flesh." This is a metaphor for their unity?
How does God have a Son? If God has a Son, it's "from him," "out of Him," "begotten of Him," meaning it is NOT Him. It is distinct. There may be unity, but there's quite a distinction.
Your description is quite difficult. Maybe simple to you. But to say the Godhead is simple... just baffles me.
It's no wonder Divine Flesh is popular. Some Oneness renderings of the Incarnation have God wearing a flesh costume, with working nerves, emotions, etc, but behind the costume, he is still GOD. My friend, that's not being FULLY man. That's God wearing a special costume that he designed.
If I am "one with God" (I take that to mean in unity?), then we are still two separate people. Like a husband and wife, joined together and are "one flesh." This is a metaphor for their unity?
How does God have a Son? If God has a Son, it's "from him," "out of Him," "begotten of Him," meaning it is NOT Him. It is distinct. There may be unity, but there's quite a distinction.
Your description is quite difficult. Maybe simple to you. But to say the Godhead is simple... just baffles me.
It's no wonder Divine Flesh is popular. Some Oneness renderings of the Incarnation have God wearing a flesh costume, with working nerves, emotions, etc, but behind the costume, he is still GOD. My friend, that's not being FULLY man. That's God wearing a special costume that he designed.
What I just described is not Divine flesh LOL! Yes the son is distinct in part. Yet he is also the divine Father expressed by the Son. The Son is a real man. LOL! I said HE HAD A SON! Think about that and recompute! God is still one and he is Father but the Son partakes of his nature do to him being his Word expressed. The Son learned obedience and grew in stature etc... The Father was apart of him. Is this two Gods? No! You have one God expressed and realized in a man who was a his Son. In him we know the Father and only will know the Father. As the Father goes so does the Son. He could speak as limited in time, space and understanding but also as him who Abraham saw and existed from the beginning. Why because the Father was apart of him. As the Father moved him to speak he would speak and yet he would cry out to the Father that was in him and was created by him.
What I just described is not Divine flesh LOL! Yes the son is distinct in part. Yet he is also the divine Father expressed by the Son. The Son is a real man. LOL! I said HE HAD A SON! Think about that and recompute! God is still one and he is Father but the Son partakes of his nature do to him being his Word expressed. The Son learned obedience and grew in stature etc... The Father was apart of him. Is this two Gods? No! You have one God expressed and realized in a man who was a his Son. In him we know the Father and only will know the Father. As the Father goes so does the Son. He could speak as limited in time, space and understanding but also as him who Abraham saw and existed from the beginning. Why because the Father was apart of him. As the Father moved him to speak he would speak and yet he would cry out to the Father that was in him and was created by him.
I didn't say you described Divine Flesh (at least not your intent), but based on your response, I can understand how people make that logical leap.
The son is a real man. But you also believe the Son is fully God.
This fleshly birth in Bethlehem, the expression of God, he is not spatially apart from God? He is "sent?" How is the Father "a part of him" when it sounds like he is "apart from him?"
The Father moved him to speak? So Jesus was a man moved on by God? I thought Jesus was also fully God?
I'm not suggesting you or anyone believe in two gods, divine flesh, etc... I'm asking questions. Godhead in one sense is beautiful, and in another, is messy and confusing.
I didn't say you described Divine Flesh (at least not your intent), but based on your response, I can understand how people make that logical leap.
The son is a real man. But you also believe the Son is fully God. Correct as they are interwined togethor.
This fleshly birth in Bethlehem, the expression of God, he is not spatially apart from God? He is "sent?" How is the Father "a part of him" when it sounds like he is "apart from him?"
He was sent as all men are sent into the World.
The Father moved him to speak? So Jesus was a man moved on by God? I thought Jesus was also fully God?
uh yes... he has obdience this man was a real man in perfect communion with God as part of his nature. to hear and learn and do. Yet the very God in him does which is part of his being speaks and the Son does because of the communion of love.
I'm not suggesting you or anyone believe in two gods, divine flesh, etc... I'm asking questions. Godhead in one sense is beautiful, and in another, is messy and confusing.
I can see in part it can be. Once you have a understanding of certain aspects and that The ONE GOD expressed his image and being into a child and that child was authentic in existance as a normal person who could say. I go unto my God and your God yet say, I AM he and many other sayings... you simply have a ONENESS of being of a authentic man who is God's unique Son and the Eternal God. Think about a man that knowledge is limited but yet hear and breath the divine revelation of God when the Father speaks and he speaks as his perfected mouthpiece. To be one in such a way is to truly be perfected. A Man that can feel the perfect love of God beyond measure and also know the depth of all creation. One Day we shall be like him.
Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only one,45 himself God, who is in closest fellowship with46 the Father, has made God47 known.48
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I can see in part it can be. Once you have a understanding certain aspects and that The ONE GOD expressed his image and being into a child and that child was authentic in existance as a normal person who could say. I go unto my God and your God yet say, I AM he and many other sayings... you simply have a ONENESS of being of a authentic man who is God's unique Son and the Eternal God. Think about a man that knowledge is limited but yet hear and breath the divine revelation of God when the Father speaks and he speaks as his perfected mouthpiece. To be one is such as way is to truly be perfected. One Day we shall be like him.
Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only one,45 himself God, who is in closest fellowship with46 the Father, has made God47 known.48
The bolded -- doesn't compute. "God's unique son and God too."
I get your last part -- but this is precisely how my Trinitarian brothers describe that unity as well. In fact, it's almost verbatim.
Your scripture says that no one has seen God, but the Son has made Him known (the one "at the Father's side").
At a faith level and a cognitive level I believe and accept that Jesus is God. However, how this relationship works out, I've been around it for decades and can't quite get it. I'm jealous of those of you on here who believe you got it down.
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