The Son is the man in whom God is incarnate. The man Jesus Christ is the human tabernacle of the Father.
If the Son is God incarnate, then the Son is God. Sherri is wondering how God (incarnated as the Son) can be the mediator between Himself and man. Normally, a mediator is not one of the two parties in mediation!
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If the Son is God incarnate, then the Son is God. Sherri is wondering how God (incarnated as the Son) can be the mediator between Himself and man. Normally, a mediator is not one of the two parties in mediation!
Exactly. If the Son if "God in a flesh body" then he is God fully.
This gets into how the fully God, fully man dichotomy works. If I am fully man, I am void of the divine. Right? If I am fully man, I am FULLY man. But as soon as you add that I not only have Divine attributes, but am, in fact, the Almighty, then how can I also be a man? If one is "fully" one, he cannot be both. There's no room!
Just thinking out loud on the topic.
The explanation always pushes us toward mystery, and this is where I feel both Oneness and Trinitarians venture into areas we don't fully know, but we have fun talking about.
If the Son is God incarnate, then the Son is God. Sherri is wondering how God (incarnated as the Son) can be the mediator between Himself and man. Normally, a mediator is not one of the two parties in mediation!
I think we should not see this as JC cutting a deal with his daddy...
The mediation was achieved by representation of the human race (Christ was one of us - our kinsman) to divinity, and was accomplished in full on the cross. It is the single event of the cross that continues mediation on our behalf - not two beings sitting at a negotiating table.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
I think we should not see this as JC cutting a deal with his daddy...
The mediation was achieved by representation of the human race (Christ was one of us a kinsman) to divinity, and was accomplished in full on the cross.
But what does that mean in reality. We know what it means in representation, in type, in symbolism. But what does that mean. How does that look?
But what does that mean in reality. We know what it means in representation, in type, in symbolism. But what does that mean. How does that look?
Were Christ and the Father distinct?
Indeed, there are distinctions between Christ, and the Father in heaven to whom He prayed. Those distinctions arise primarily from the incarnation. Nevertheless these distinctions do not necessitate the existence of multiple beings in the Godhead.
A key is the willingness of Christ to take upon himself these limitations of humanity. Hence we have God within and God without the incarnation.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Indeed, there are distinctions between Christ, and the Father in heaven to whom He prayed. Those distinctions arise primarily from the incarnation. Nevertheless these distinctions do not necessitate the existence of multiple beings in the Godhead.
A key is the willingness of Christ to take upon himself these limitations of humanity. Hence we have God within and God without the incarnation.
Who is Christ apart from the incarnation? The Father? So did you mean "the willingness of the Father to take upon himself these limitations of humanity?"
How was the Logos involved with Creation prior to the incarnation?
If Christ is fully God, did he truly have the full limitations of humanity??
Who is Christ apart from the incarnation? The Father? So did you mean "the willingness of the Father to take upon himself these limitations of humanity?"
How was the Logos involved with Creation prior to the incarnation?
If Christ is fully God, did he truly have the full limitations of humanity??
Apart from the incarnation Christ was God - the same essence as the Father.
The willingness of God to take upon himself... The term "Father" arises out of the incarnation.
Involved through the deity He shared with the Father - certainly not as a separate being.
I don't think I said FULL limitations...
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Apart from the incarnation Christ was God - the same essence as the Father.
The willingness of God to take upon himself... The term "Father" arises out of the incarnation.
Involved through the deity He shared with the Father - certainly not as a separate being.
I don't think I said FULL limitations...
What you're saying here makes some sense for me.
However, the distinctiveness and apparent spatially separateness confuses the matter. If Christ is really God the Father in the incarnation, then how can the Son, which is really the Almighty in a flesh body, be fully human?
And the whole idea of the Son appealing to the Father in speech seems rather odd, if the Son is not just unified with the Father, but is literally the Father. Why the emphasis by NT writers to make these distinctions?
Also, Did the Jews believe the Messiah would be God Himself? Does the OT prophesy a Suffering Servant or...
Ahhh... why'd I start in on this thread. It's out my league. I've been in this knee deep, even taught on godhead on many occassions, but have never settled the matter... .and I feel like it's such an open topic.
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