Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist

watchman · #1 07-29-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SRM

Oneness believe the Father was manifested in the Son and some even assume Jesus was the Father in flesh.. thus saying..Jesus is God..

I know that is what I believe. However I do not believe the Father died on the cross.

seekerman · #2 07-30-2010, 07:39 AM

The Son of God, who preexisted His incarnation with His God and Father, died on the cross.

pastorrick1959 · #3 07-30-2010, 08:21 AM

[QUOTE=watchman;945563]I know that is what I believe. However I do not believe the Father died on the cross

then you are very confused ... if the father turned into the son and the son died on cross ,, then god died.. period.

watchman · #4 07-30-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by watchman

I know that is what I believe. However I do not believe the Father died on the cross

then you are very confused ... if the father turned into the son and the son died on cross ,, then god died.. period.

God is one and has always been one. Jesus is the man God became. Jesus did not exist before incarnation as God the Son. In His pre-incarnate state, He existed as the Father, God Himself. Now the two of them are in heaven together, God the Father and the man he became, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. The problem is that when I say the Father became a man people think it means I believe he stopped being an eternal Spirit after incarnation and that heaven was empty. This is not what I believe. God the Father continued to exist as a transcendent, unlimited Spirit, while also becoming a man. The Father did not become confined to a human existence. It is not as though the omnipresent Spirit of God transformed Himself into a man, to the exclusion of His existence as the Holy Spirit.

When God assumed a human existence with a complete human mind, psyche, will, and emotion etc. He was distinct from the Father while he continued to exist as the Father in heaven. As a genuine human being, Jesus was and is distinct from the Father. This is because of His humanity not because he is the second person of the Trinity. While I confess that the deity of the Son did pre-exist incarnation, I do not see that deity as the second person of the Trinity, known as " God the Son ", and separate from the Father or Holy Spirit, but rather as the uni-personal God of the old testament. Yahweh, the Father, the Great I Am.

Only the man that was born, and lived as a man died. The Father did not die for He cannot die.

pastorrick1959 · #5 07-30-2010, 02:16 PM

[QUOTE=watchman;=pastorrick1959;
God is one and has always been one. Jesus is the man God became. Jesus did not exist before incarnation as God the Son. In His pre-incarnate state, He existed as the Father, God Himself. Now the two of them are in heaven together, God the Father and the man he became, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. The problem is that when I say the Father became a man people think it means I believe he stopped being an eternal Spirit after incarnation and that heaven was empty. This is not what I believe. God the Father continued to exist as a transcendent, unlimited Spirit, while also becoming a man. The Father did not become confined to a human existence. It is not as though the omnipresent Spirit of God transformed Himself into a man, to the exclusion of His existence as the Holy Spirit.

When God assumed a human existence with a complete human mind, psyche, will, and emotion etc. He was distinct from the Father while he continued to exist as the Father in heaven. As a genuine human being, Jesus was and is distinct from the Father. This is because of His humanity not because he is the second person of the Trinity. While I confess that the deity of the Son did pre-exist incarnation, I do not see that deity as the second person of the Trinity, known as " God the Son ", and separate from the Father or Holy Spirit, but rather as the uni-personal God of the old testament. Yahweh, the Father, the Great I Am.

Only the man that was born, and lived as a man died. The Father did not die for He cannot die.[/QUOTE]

SO IF i understand this correct --god became man ,but was still spirit also so we have a spirit god and a flesh god ? did god quit being man right before he died? or are you saying - god dwelt in the son ,revealed himself to people thru the son and by his actions and works he did showed the nature of god ..??saying that god was manifested IN THE FLESH , not became flesh.?? what would be correct in your opinioan>?

watchman · #6 07-30-2010, 09:33 PM

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SO IF i understand this correct --god became man ,but was still spirit also so we have a spirit god and a flesh god ? did god quit being man right before he died? or are you saying - god dwelt in the son ,revealed himself to people thru the son and by his actions and works he did showed the nature of god ..??saying that god was manifested IN THE FLESH , not became flesh.?? what would be correct in your opinioan>?

God did indeed become flesh, but He also remain God separate from the man He became, and while Jesus was God incarnate he was also fully human and therefore distinct from the Father. God was not born the man Jesus Christ was, and God did not die the man Jesus Christ did.

pastorrick1959 · #7 07-31-2010, 09:16 AM

[QUOTE=watchman;945875]God did indeed become flesh, but He also remain God separate from the man He became, and while Jesus was God incarnate he was also fully human and therefore distinct from the Father. God was not born the man Jesus Christ was, and God did not die the man Jesus Christ did

if god became flesh ,,then the bible is a lie.
numbers 23;19 -god is not a man .. read its its there.

st. john 1;18- no man hath seen god at any time ,,,,
1 john says the same thing .

if god became flesh and god was still spirit too , your not oneness

your divine duo doctrine!

SRM · #8 07-31-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by watchman

God did indeed become flesh, but He also remain God separate from the man He became, and while Jesus was God incarnate he was also fully human and therefore distinct from the Father. God was not born the man Jesus Christ was, and God did not die the man Jesus Christ did

if god became flesh ,,then the bible is a lie.
numbers 23;19 -god is not a man .. read its its there.

st. john 1;18- no man hath seen god at any time ,,,,
1 john says the same thing .

if god became flesh and god was still spirit too , your not oneness

your divine duo doctrine!

Jn 4:24..God is Spirit..to take away or add it not good..to say He became something else is also not good..

Why cannot we allow God to be God?..stop saying He put on a suit of flesh..NO HE DID NOT....He begot a man from the womb of Mary who FROM the loins of David,annointed him {acts 10:38}and gave him the Spirit without measure{Jn 3:34} and did the works{Jn 14:10} and spoke through this man{Heb 1:2} we call Jesus..Jesus never once said He was God or the Father..man has made him to be..