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Old 08-05-2010, 04:25 PM
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Re: From Dust to Dust

What I find interesting about how we view the nature of Christ's risen form is the dogmatic insistence on the completely unbiblical notion that his flesh was "glorified." Paul makes a clear distinction between the carnal and the spiritual, and we somehow stumble into the assumption that "His glorious body" refers to meat and bone. In the course of defending this assumption, we directly contradict Christ's words.
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Just as Christ was raised bodily in incorruption, glory, and power (a spiritual body)...
Christ's flesh was not spiritual.

Luk 24:39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

Why do we look at the miraculous acts of Christ between his rising from the dead and His ascension as if they were somehow different from the miraculous acts that He worked before His death? He walked on the water! Did that have anything to do with His flesh?

No. It had everything to do with His faith. Period. The same goes for everything that He did after rising from the dead. All power in the heavens and on earth was given to Him. This was not because His flesh was made metaphysical. Jesus Christ said that His flesh was still flesh, not spirit. Sorry-that's the word of God.

Jesus Christ does not have two bodies. He has one glorious body--His bride, His Church.

Rom 7:4 So my brothers, you also were put to death to the Torah through the body of Messiah, for you to become another’s, the One who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to Elohim [Theos].

1Co 12:27 And you are a body of Messiah, and members individually.

Furthermore, for those who say that Christ is God and His glorious body is "glorified" immortal flesh, how can you say that you are also oneness? Do you mean to say that God is One, yet God the Son will forever walk the streets of golden Jerusalem in his scarred, immortal body while God the Father also remains as spirit?

That, brethren, is two gods, not one.
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Old 08-05-2010, 04:31 PM
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What I find interesting about how we view the nature of Christ's risen form is the dogmatic insistence on the completely unbiblical notion that his flesh was "glorified." Paul makes a clear distinction between the carnal and the spiritual, and we somehow stumble into the assumption that "His glorious body" refers to meat and bone. In the course of defending this assumption, we directly contradict Christ's words.


Christ's flesh was not spiritual.
Sure it was. You are mistaking spiritual for spirit-matter, and natural for physical matter. That is not what those terms mean. Natural, in reference to a body, means alive by natural life. Spiritual, in reference to a body, means alive by supernatural life.

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Luk 24:39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

Why do we look at the miraculous acts of Christ between his rising from the dead and His ascension as if they were somehow different from the miraculous acts that He worked before His death? He walked on the water! Did that have anything to do with His flesh?
Peter walked on water, too. But Jesus vanished out of sight and ascended into the sky after His resurrection. He never did that before.

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No. It had everything to do with His faith. Period. The same goes for everything that He did after rising from the dead. All power in the heavens and on earth was given to Him. This was not because His flesh was made metaphysical. Jesus Christ said that His flesh was still flesh, not spirit. Sorry-that's the word of God.
It was mortal flesh that had been changed into immortal flesh. Paul talked all about this in 1 Cor 15. Let's not reinvent the wheel.

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Jesus Christ does not have two bodies. He has one glorious body--His bride, His Church.
To say the church is His body does not mean he does not have a personal body, any more than the fact that Eve was Adam's body did not mean Adam no personal body of his own.

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Rom 7:4 So my brothers, you also were put to death to the Torah through the body of Messiah, for you to become another’s, the One who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to Elohim [Theos].

1Co 12:27 And you are a body of Messiah, and members individually.

Furthermore, for those who say that Christ is God and His glorious body is "glorified" immortal flesh, how can you say that you are also oneness? Do you mean to say that God is One, yet God the Son will forever walk the streets of golden Jerusalem in his scarred, immortal body while God the Father also remains as spirit?
Deity and Humanity are not one and the same. God manifested in flesh but did not nor ever will become flesh. the flesh and immortal body of Christ is not DEITY.

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That, brethren, is two gods, not one.
If it wasn't two Gods when Jesus was on earth in flesh then it is not two Gods now if Jesus has immortal flesh. What kind of flesh do you think Adam would have enjoyed had he eaten the fruit of Life to never die again?

IMHO you have oneness and resurrection both mixed up. God bless!

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