I Love the UPCI

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

John didn't take a shot. He merely pointed out the UPC would not take him nor would he want to. That's probably due to doctrinal differences.

Yes he did. It's fairly subversive, fairly subtle, but he did. He is refusing to take part with the UPC while proclaiming his glowing adoration of it. You can't have it both ways. Jesus said it's either one way or the other, right? "For me or against me."

I happen to be comfortable enough in my own skin to openly admit, I'm against it. John wants to sugarcoat it. "I love you but I want nothing to do with you." Nuh uh.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Yes he did. It's fairly subversive, fairly subtle, but he did. He is refusing to take part with the UPC while proclaiming his glowing adoration of it. You can't have it both ways. Jesus said it's either one way or the other, right? "For me or against me."

I happen to be comfortable enough in my own skin to openly admit, I'm against it. John wants to sugarcoat it. "I love you but I want nothing to do with you." Nuh uh.

Refusing to take part in an organization while not blasting it like everyone else is not taking a shot at the UPC. There is no both ways here. He doesn't attack the UPC while he also would not be a member. So using the reverse logic if I would never be a member of any organization I spend my time blasting those organizations? Sorry that just does not make sense. I didn't see him blasting the UPC in his opening post. He simply pointed out he would not be able to be UPC. He never said why. He never said the UPC was bad. He just said he could not be UPC...I could not be Mormon, but that's not taking a shot at them.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Refusing to take part in an organization while not blasting it like everyone else is not taking a shot at the UPC. There is no both ways here. He doesn't attack the UPC while he also would not be a member. So using the reverse logic if I would never be a member of any organization I spend my time blasting those organizations? Sorry that just does not make sense. I didn't see him blasting the UPC in his opening post. He simply pointed out he would not be able to be UPC. He never said why. He never said the UPC was bad. He just said he could not be UPC...I could not be Mormon, but that's not taking a shot at them.

AH HA!!!! THIS is the point I was hoping to get to but I needed someone to say it before I could make the point. Thank you, Praxeas, for setting me up for the spike.

This gets SOOO old!!! If any of us have the audacity, the unmitigated gall, the nerve to call out the UPC for its abuses, heavy-handedness, political gimmickry, doctrinal heresies, or acrimonious dealings with individuals or groups, we get labeled "Bitter", "Angry", "Whiners", and the list goes on forever.

We have refused to be a part of THE SYSTEM. The only difference between us and John A. is, we have the guts to say "Why"!!!

It's interesting that SO many hold up Martin Luther as a patriarch, a bold confronter, a pioneer and a revolutionary. But us? If we DARE speak out about the untouchable UPC? We're "Bitter", "Blasting it", blah, blah, blah.

Jesus did it. Was he a bad buy too? Look at what he called the religious system of His day. If I came on here and said what he said, I'd get infracted for name calling!

John gets tired of the UPC being criticized. I, on the other hand, as well as many others, get TIRED of you people crying about some of us pointing out the TRUTH.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

AH HA!!!! THIS is the point I was hoping to get to but I needed someone to say it before I could make the point. Thank you, Praxeas, for setting me up for the spike.

This gets SOOO old!!! If any of us have the audacity, the unmitigated gall, the nerve to call out the UPC for its abuses, heavy-handedness, political gimmickry, doctrinal heresies, or acrimonious dealings with individuals or groups, we get labeled "Bitter", "Angry", "Whiners", and the list goes on forever.

We have refused to be a part of THE SYSTEM. The only difference between us and John A. is, we have the guts to say "Why"!!!

It's interesting that SO many hold up Martin Luther as a patriarch, a bold confronter, a pioneer and a revolutionary. But us? If we DARE speak out about the untouchable UPC? We're "Bitter", "Blasting it", blah, blah, blah.

Jesus did it. Was he a bad buy too? Look at what he called the religious system of His day. If I came on here and said what he said, I'd get infracted for name calling!

John gets tired of the UPC being criticized. I, on the other hand, as well as many others, get TIRED of you people crying about some of us pointing out the TRUTH.

Actually, you are wrong. I did not say anything about calling out the UPC on any deficiency it has. Nor did John mention anything about not being allowed to criticize the UPC ever,

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually, you are wrong. I did not say anything about calling out the UPC on any deficiency it has. Nor did John mention anything about not being allowed to criticize the UPC ever,

Actually, it's you that is wrong. Nothing unusual, though. For crying out loud, I highlighted what you said. "...while blasting it like everyone else." I, and others have CRITICIZED it, and it always gets labeled, "Blasting", and lots of other names. That was the entire point of my post. Read it again, it it'll help you.

[ILG]

I think there is a problem with the system, definately. But I also get sick of talking about it or thinking about it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think there is a problem with the system, definately. But I also get sick of talking about it or thinking about it.

I think that's part of JA's problem. It's a constant stream. It's become standard fare for this place. Once in a while is ok but over and over and over gets to some people

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Actually, it's you that is wrong. Nothing unusual, though. For crying out loud, I highlighted what you said. "...while blasting it like everyone else." I, and others have CRITICIZED it, and it always gets labeled, "Blasting", and lots of other names. That was the entire point of my post. Read it again, it it'll help you.

Blasting is not the same thing as criticising short comings of an organization. I didn't realize you did not know the difference.

BTW I have criticized the UPC too while not blasting it.