Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jesus?

[shag]

Originally Posted by Sam

Jesus told the folks in His teaching session that we call the sermon on the mount, "after this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father..." Matthew 6:9

About a year and a half later, when a disciple asked Him, "Lord, teach us to pray..." Jesus responded by teaching, "When ye pray, say, Our Father..." Luke 11:2

It's interesting that in neither of these index prayers or sample prayers, He did not mention praying "in Jesus' name." Later He did tell His disciples to approach God in His (Jesus) name in John 14:13,14; John 15:16; and John 16:23, 24, 26

In The Living Bible, John 16:23-26 reads:
23 At that time you won't need to ask me for anything, or you can go directly to the Father and ask him, and he will give you what you ask for because you use my name. 24 You haven't tried this before, [but begin now]. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and your cup of joy will overflow. 25 I have spoken of these matters very guardedly, but the time will come when this will not be necessary and I will tell you plainly all about the Father. 26 Then you will present your petitions over my signature! And I won't need to ask the Father to grant you those requests,

Next to the John 16 passage, I have the following notes in the margin of my Bible:
His name on a check is good for any amount
and
They will no longer address Jesus directly as a man directly in person. They will address Jesus as God who is the Father as far as His deity is concerned. Paul Ferguson

Somewhere I used to have a bookmark like the attachment below

You Luke 11:2 verse seems to be about as clear as it can get.




I don't know that I've EVER heard one time, a oneness pentecostal pray like Peter and John did after the ascension here. Anybody else?

24And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

25Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

26The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

27For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

29And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,

30By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.





That kinda aloud prayer might get me crucified in my UPC church.
However, it is in there, so we should be able to pray that way, and even teach our kids to pray that way with a clear concious of not turning our back on what is supposedly "oneness", should we not?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by shag

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I don't know that I've EVER heard one time, a oneness pentecostal pray like Peter and John did after the ascension here. Anybody else?

24And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:

25Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

26The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

27For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

29And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,

30By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.





That kinda aloud prayer might get me crucified in my UPC church.
However, it is in there, so we should be able to pray that way, and even teach our kids to pray that way with a clear concious of not turning our back on what is supposedly "oneness", should we not?

Were they disobeying the clear teaching on prayer that Jesus had given them?
Was their prayer invalid?

[shag]

Originally Posted by Sam

Were they disobeying the clear teaching on prayer that Jesus had given them?
Was their prayer invalid?

Maybe they still just hadnt received the revelation of the oneness of God yet. Or should I say the revelation of "the oneness of Jesus Christ". that aint it.



Im thinkin Peter STILL simply had the same revelation that Jesus had said:"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God".