Re: Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jes
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Originally Posted by Timmy
How about "To Whom it may concern"?
When Marilla Cuthbert asked Anne of Green Gables if she ever prayed, she said, "Mrs. Hammond told me that God made my hair red on purpose, and I've never cared for him since."
Re: Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jes
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Originally Posted by pressing-on
when marilla cuthbert asked anne of green gables if she ever prayed, she said, "mrs. Hammond told me that god made my hair red on purpose, and i've never cared for him since."
roflmbo!!!!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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Re: Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jes
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Originally Posted by shag
In prayer, like at the evening dinner table, my kids primarily always ask the blessing opening with "Thank you Jesus...", and end with "in Jesus name". Hardcore oneness I guess-LOL
I'm not demanding theres really too much wrong with that, but to commonly never mention "Father" seems a little unbiblical to me. When I open in prayer I usually say "Father". I guess they go without using "Father' because our service leader at church ALWAYS just says "Jesus" this or "Jesus" that, no "Father" distiction at all.
And then yesterday, my 5 yr. old's memory verse was : 1 Thess. 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
She seemed a little confused at that verse LOL
Anybody run into this stuff?
I'm seeing a few of the Enseyites moving away from calling Jesus ... the Father ... which is not very traditional 20th century OP theology.
Re: Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jes
Jesus told the folks in His teaching session that we call the sermon on the mount, "after this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father..." Matthew 6:9
About a year and a half later, when a disciple asked Him, "Lord, teach us to pray..." Jesus responded by teaching, "When ye pray, say, Our Father..." Luke 11:2
It's interesting that in neither of these index prayers or sample prayers, He did not mention praying "in Jesus' name." Later He did tell His disciples to approach God in His (Jesus) name in John 14:13,14; John 15:16; and John 16:23, 24, 26
In The Living Bible, John 16:23-26 reads:
23 At that time you won't need to ask me for anything, or you can go directly to the Father and ask him, and he will give you what you ask for because you use my name. 24 You haven't tried this before, [but begin now]. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and your cup of joy will overflow. 25 I have spoken of these matters very guardedly, but the time will come when this will not be necessary and I will tell you plainly all about the Father. 26 Then you will present your petitions over my signature! And I won't need to ask the Father to grant you those requests,
Next to the John 16 passage, I have the following notes in the margin of my Bible:
His name on a check is good for any amount
and
They will no longer address Jesus directly as a man directly in person. They will address Jesus as God who is the Father as far as His deity is concerned. Paul Ferguson
Somewhere I used to have a bookmark like the attachment below
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Re: Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jes
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Originally Posted by Sam
Jesus told the folks in His teaching session that we call the sermon on the mount, "after this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father..." Matthew 6:9
About a year and a half later, when a disciple asked Him, "Lord, teach us to pray..." Jesus responded by teaching, "When ye pray, say, Our Father..." Luke 11:2
It's interesting that in neither of these index prayers or sample prayers, He did not mention praying "in Jesus' name." Later He did tell His disciples to approach God in His (Jesus) name in John 14:13,14; John 15:16; and John 16:23, 24, 26
In The Living Bible, John 16:23-26 reads:
23 At that time you won't need to ask me for anything, or you can go directly to the Father and ask him, and he will give you what you ask for because you use my name. 24 You haven't tried this before, [but begin now]. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and your cup of joy will overflow. 25 I have spoken of these matters very guardedly, but the time will come when this will not be necessary and I will tell you plainly all about the Father. 26 Then you will present your petitions over my signature! And I won't need to ask the Father to grant you those requests,
Next to the John 16 passage, I have the following notes in the margin of my Bible:
His name on a check is good for any amount
and
They will no longer address Jesus directly as a man directly in person. They will address Jesus as God who is the Father as far as His deity is concerned. Paul Ferguson
Somewhere I used to have a bookmark like the attachment below
You Luke 11:2 verse seems to be about as clear as it can get.
I don't know that I've EVER heard one time, a oneness pentecostal pray like Peter and John did after the ascension here. Anybody else?
24And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
25Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
26The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
27For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
28For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
29And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
30By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
That kinda aloud prayer might get me crucified in my UPC church.
However, it is in there, so we should be able to pray that way, and even teach our kids to pray that way with a clear concious of not turning our back on what is supposedly "oneness", should we not?
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Re: Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jes
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Originally Posted by Timmy
Why not pray to all three Gods, like we did in the AG?
lol...
...He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him... (John 5:23)
...And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (John 12:45)
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1:9)
I guess if you call on Christ, you have both the Father and the Son
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Re: Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jes
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
lol...
...He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him... (John 5:23)
...And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (John 12:45)
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1:9)
I guess if you call on Christ, you have both the Father and the Son
Why would you guess that if you call on Christ you have both the Father & the son when none of those verses instructed us to call on Christ?
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...He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him... (John 5:23)
The verse above denotes a difference not a complete and total oneness. The verse says that the son was sent by the Father.
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...And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (John 12:45)
Again... the son was sent by the father. A difference between the two. The Father is invisible. No man has seen the Father. But God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
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He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1:9)
Hath both... 2... both... Father and son...
We are instructed to pray to the Father in the name of/authority purchased by the son.
Re: Teaching kids to pray to Father, or always Jes
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
Why would you guess that if you call on Christ you have both the Father & the son when none of those verses instructed us to call on Christ?
The verse above denotes a difference not a complete and total oneness. The verse says that the son was sent by the Father.
Again... the son was sent by the father. A difference between the two. The Father is invisible. No man has seen the Father. But God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
Hath both... 2... both... Father and son...
We are instructed to pray to the Father in the name of/authority purchased by the son.
Just a question: When the bible mentions Jehovah, do you think it is talking about the Father or the Son ?
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