Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What am I missing here? THAT WAS MY POINT!

Read it again:




You asked what they had to repent about, and I told you. Crucifying Jesus. You said there was nothing stated that they had to repent over. I showed you were wrong. I said they directly caused the crucifixion, where as we did indirectly.



Right, and that was what they had to repent about.



Right. But that was what they had to repent over. Was not the point the question of what specific thing did they have to repent about? You said nothing was told to them, and I say it was.

It is highly doubtful that those 3000 were all directly involved in the crucifixion of Christ. That is the only way they could have been directly responsible. Therefore it is highly doubtful that those 3000 were all directly responsible for the crucifixion of Christ.

You cannot repent for something that you did not do. Peter didn't tell a bunch of people to repent of something that they didn't do. It just makes no sense that he would have or that they could have. What does make sense is that he told the people of Israel to turn to God by believing on Christ so that they wouldn't be like their brethren that were directly responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. Peter never ever insinuated that anyone was indirectly responsible for Christ's death.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It is highly doubtful that those 3000 were all directly involved in the crucifixion of Christ. That is the only way they could have been directly responsible. Therefore it is highly doubtful that those 3000 were all directly responsible for the crucifixion of Christ.

Peter told them they crucified the Lord, and that is what he meant when he told them to repent. It matters not how we assess the picture, that is what Peter meant. You asked for the sin, I gave it per Peter's words.

You cannot repent for something that you did not do. Peter didn't tell a bunch of people to repent of something that they didn't do.

He said "YOU" crucified Him and said "YOU" repent. You just have to disagree with Peter.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Peter told them they crucified the Lord, and that is what he meant when he told them to repent. It matters not how we assess the picture, that is what Peter meant. You asked for the sin, I gave it per Peter's words.



He said YOU crucified Him and said YOU repent. You just have to disagree with Peter.

They did not crucify Jesus therefore that can't be what Peter meant.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

They did not crucify Jesus therefore that can't be what Peter meant.

He told them they did!

Acts 2:23 KJV Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:


Acts 2:36 KJV Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Do not stretch reason, bro. However way one slices it, Peter said they crucified the Lord. Accept what Peter said and adjust your thoughts accordingly.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

He told them they did!

Acts 2:23 KJV Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:


Acts 2:36 KJV Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Do not stretch reason, bro. However way one slices it, Peter said they crucified the Lord. Accept what Peter said and adjust your thoughts accordingly.

They as individuals did not crucify Jesus though. Definetely not directly which is what Peter claimed someone did. Therefore Peter wasn't saying they did something that they didn't do.

They as a nation did crucify Jesus.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

They as individuals did not crucify Jesus though. Definetely not directly which is what Peter claimed someone did. Therefore Peter wasn't saying they did something that they didn't do.

They as a nation did crucify Jesus.

Brother, the context is plain. Whatever conclusion you want to draw from Peter's words, the fact is Peter said YE CRUCIFIED, they asked WHAT SHALL WE DO, and Peter said Repent. If you are right they would have said, "Wait a minute! We never directly crucified him. Go and tell someone else they crucified him and they need to repent, but do not tell some of us, since some of us did not do that." But they took his words, never argued with them, and asked what they should do as a result. You are really reaching here to avoid this, bro.

Peter: YE

People: WE?

Peter: REPENT

When did YE no longer mean YE? Peter told some people whom he called "YE" that they crucified the Lord, and that was sin people had to repent of. Obviously it is the ones to whom he preached. I say YOU when I speak to you, do I not? And the ones who asked what should they do were the ones Peter told to repent. Seems perfectly plain to me.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Brother, the context is plain. Whatever conclusion you want to draw from Peter's words, the fact is Peter said YE CRUCIFIED, they asked WHAT SHALL WE DO, and Peter said Repent. If you are right they would have said, "Wait a minute! We never directly crucified him. Go and tell someone else they crucified him and they need to repent, but do not tell some of us, since some of us did not do that." But they took his words, never argued with them, and asked what they should do as a result. You are really reaching here to avoid this, bro.

Peter: YE

People: WE?

Peter: REPENT

When did YE no longer mean YE? Peter told some people whom he called "YE" that they crucified the Lord, and that was sin people had to repent of. Obviously it is the ones to whom he preached. I say YOU when I speak to you, do I not? And the ones who asked what should they do were the ones Peter told to repent. Seems perfectly plain to me.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

In Acts 2:36 "ye" refers to all the house of Israel. If all the house of Israel are directly responsible for Christ's crucifixion then so are the apostles for they were of the house of Israel. The fact is that no where in the story of Christ's crucifixion is every jew said to have taken part in it. In fact it is quite clear that every Jew did not. Did Peter or any of the other apostles? Surely you will answer no. But that is what Peter said, that all the house of Israel crucified Jesus. The fact is that not every Jew was involved in Jesus being crucified, the apostles being the best examples. So you must go back to the drawing board about applying the guilt of Christ's death directly to all individual jews.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It is highly doubtful that those 3000 were all directly involved in the crucifixion of Christ. That is the only way they could have been directly responsible. Therefore it is highly doubtful that those 3000 were all directly responsible for the crucifixion of Christ.

You cannot repent for something that you did not do. Peter didn't tell a bunch of people to repent of something that they didn't do. It just makes no sense that he would have or that they could have. What does make sense is that he told the people of Israel to turn to God by believing on Christ so that they wouldn't be like their brethren that were directly responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. Peter never ever insinuated that anyone was indirectly responsible for Christ's death.

If you want to know who was responsible for Christ's crucifiction, read Acts
6 and 7. The children of those who killed every prophet in the Old Testament.
They were OF their father. The fruit will show what/who the "father" was.

Those who are OF THE FATHER will know His name! They will hear His Voice.
They will follow HIM. Those who refuse to hear HIS Voice will not follow Him,
neither will they be called by His Name! The Word says the Lord knows those
who are His.

The pear may tell his friends all day long, "I am a peach". But that doesn't
make it so.
If we call ourself a Christian, don't you think it ought to show. If it really
makes no difference, How the people gonna know!
You'll know them by their fruit. Love, peace, joy...for starters!

Falla39