Using secular songs to open service for icebreaker

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Esther

They get enough songs from the secular world, why not at least give them Christian music when in church. As Sherri said, many came out of that and why remind them or tempt them to go back into what they came out of?

Greater is He that is in me that he that is in the world......well, except for that evil Beatles stuff. That stuff is WAY bigger than God. I guess, anyway.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Greater is He that is in me that he that is in the world......well, except for that evil Beatles stuff. That stuff is WAY bigger than God. I guess, anyway.

I guess since God is "bigger" than Saw, Texas Chainsaw Massacres, and the like we shouldn't be concerned about opening ourselves to that either.

God is greater than that evil Metallica, Megadeath, Marlilyn Manson and the such like, so whats the harm in that either.

I guess, anyway.


Have I now become the AFF ultra con???

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I guess since God is "bigger" than Saw, Texas Chainsaw Massacres, and the like we shouldn't be concerned about opening ourselves to that either.

God is greater than that evil Metallica, Megadeath, Marlilyn Manson and the such like, so whats the harm in that either.

I guess, anyway.


Have I now become the AFF ultra con???

Yes, you sound like an ultra-con. You are unable to see the difference between something blatantly ungodly and something that is obviously not. You're condemning everything that doesn't fit into your own little personal mold of right and wrong. If Rev. Badejo doesn't like it, it's bad.

Where is the line? Where YOU say it is? Is it ok to listen to pop-jazz in your car? If so, what's wrong with Paul McCartney's "Freedom" written the day after 9-11? And don't go into the KIND OF PERSON McCartney is. If you do, I'll start spilling the beans on a BUNCH of Christian artists you dance and shout to on Sundays.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Yes, you sound like an ultra-con. You are unable to see the difference between something blatantly ungodly and something that is obviously not. You're condemning everything that doesn't fit into your own little personal mold of right and wrong. If Rev. Badejo doesn't like it, it's bad.

Where is the line? Where YOU say it is? Is it ok to listen to pop-jazz in your car? If so, what's wrong with Paul McCartney's "Freedom" written the day after 9-11? And don't go into the KIND OF PERSON McCartney is. If you do, I'll start spilling the beans on a BUNCH of Christian artists you dance and shout to on Sundays.

I think substance would go a long ways in deciding. In the case of secular music, the intention is certainly NOT to glorify God, and at BEST a secular song is spiritually nuetral with perhaps a good moral (but not God glorifying) message.

Furthermore, I would say that character should be a factor, though it should be secondary. The difference between secular artists and some Christian artists is that the secular artist OPENLY live an ungodly life. Wherein, in the few cases of Christian artists they may have a weakness that has overtaken them, or at worst be a total and complete hypocrite living a double life.

At least in the case of the Christian, the music is [normally] written for the express intent of glorifying God and building up the body of Christ.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I think substance would go a long ways in deciding. In the case of secular music, the intention is certainly NOT to glorify God, and at BEST a secular song is spiritually nuetral with perhaps a good moral (but not God glorifying) message.

Furthermore, I would say that character should be a factor, though it should be secondary. The difference between secular artists and some Christian artists is that the secular artist OPENLY live an ungodly life. Wherein, in the few cases of Christian artists they may have a weakness that has overtaken them, or at worst be a total and complete hypocrite living a double life.

At least in the case of the Christian, the music is [normally] written for the express intent of glorifying God and building up the body of Christ.

Ok, try this out......"Rise Above This" by Seether. It's talking about preventing teenage suicide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP6JDLQF23g

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Ok, try this out......"Rise Above This" by Seether. It's talking about preventing teenage suicide.

I am unable to watch the video right now, so I googled the lyrics. I don't see alot of hop in them, but I guess the argument can be made its a positive message. ( I guess)

I also never heard of the band so I read the article about them on Wiki.

I fail to see the benefit in getting spiritual motivation from heathens. When we ought to be the light to them, they are seeming leading us?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I am unable to watch the video right now, so I googled the lyrics. I don't see alot of hop in them, but I guess the argument can be made its a positive message. ( I guess)

I also never heard of the band so I read the article about them on Wiki.

I fail to see the benefit in getting spiritual motivation from heathens. When we ought to be the light to them, they are seeming leading us?

Figures. Come to our church next Sunday and I'll point out nearly an entire audience that swore off church years ago, who are completely uninterested in "How Great Thou Art", but who will respond to "Seether", "Coldplay", "30 Seconds to Mars" "Switchfoot", or "Linkin Park." These people are in the field that God calls us to, but most of use are too busy insisting that Coldplay is evil, to listen to the hearts of the hurting, who need Jesus.

You wanna see a purpose in it? Accompany me next week and I'll introduce you to dozens of people, that The Church gave up on years ago, who are pursuing a relationship with Christ. It's AMAZING!!!

You should lead someone to Christ sometime. You might actually enjoy it!