Using secular songs to open service for icebreaker

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I HATE IT

Grump.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Sherri

We've used a few secular songs in times past, but I think you have to be very careful. There are people who got saved and walked away from all their secular music, and hearing it in church conjures up images of times past that weren't so good. It can be confusing.

They get enough songs from the secular world, why not at least give them Christian music when in church. As Sherri said, many came out of that and why remind them or tempt them to go back into what they came out of?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Esther

They get enough songs from the secular world, why not at least give them Christian music when in church. As Sherri said, many came out of that and why remind them or tempt them to go back into what they came out of?

Greater is He that is in me that he that is in the world......well, except for that evil Beatles stuff. That stuff is WAY bigger than God. I guess, anyway.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

How so? I saw NewSpring do "Beat it" to start a service during their current series, "I Love The 80's". Is that imbalance?

Not imbalance, just carnality.

But if the emphasis isn't really on denying self and making disciples, then I guess we can just turn the "church" into whatever image we think it should be. Maybe they should just tweak some church songs:

"I'm going back to the heart of [pagan] worship.....
It's all about ME, its all about ME.....

I won't apologize for the [relevant] thing we made it....
Its all about ME...."

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Personally I think it can be useful if it's tied into the message, but Im sure some people will be offended and because of that I think it's better not to. At the same time I think those that get offended have to realize we don't all react the same way they might to that kind of stuff if it does happen

Some people don't give about what offends others. They are using their so-called "liberty" in the complete and total opposite of how Paul instructed. In fact, the behavior which they have often termed as liberty, is the exact "liberty" that Peter strongly condemned.

Christian liberty isn't liberty to mix the message of the Cross with the pop culture of an ungodly society. In fact, many go beyond that, because the cross isn't even the message anymore.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

I hope we all know that GNR just covered Knockin on Heaven's Door. Mr Bob Dylan wrote and performed long ago.

Of course,but GNR did it better

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

But is it ok in your car? And if it's ok in your car, why would it be wrong in the church? The building isn't "The Church." "WE" are the church.

I watch the Super Bowl in my house. I would be highly opposed to watching it in the church. Prime example a couple of years ago when someone hacked the feed in the Tucson,AZ area and showed about 30 seconds of hard core porn. Second example, the wardrobe "malfunction". All such junk was broadcast in at least some churches. And thats to say nothing of the commercials.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Greater is He that is in me that he that is in the world......well, except for that evil Beatles stuff. That stuff is WAY bigger than God. I guess, anyway.

I guess since God is "bigger" than Saw, Texas Chainsaw Massacres, and the like we shouldn't be concerned about opening ourselves to that either.

God is greater than that evil Metallica, Megadeath, Marlilyn Manson and the such like, so whats the harm in that either.

I guess, anyway.


Have I now become the AFF ultra con???

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Not imbalance, just carnality.

But if the emphasis isn't really on denying self and making disciples, then I guess we can just turn the "church" into whatever image we think it should be. Maybe they should just tweak some church songs:

"I'm going back to the heart of [pagan] worship.....
It's all about ME, its all about ME.....

I won't apologize for the [relevant] thing we made it....
Its all about ME...."

Oh hogwash. Horsefeathers.

I gather that you are a preacher. You do things all the time while you stand in the pulpit that are carnal and not biblical at all, like for instance, standing in the pulpit. There are no pulpits in the bible. They are an invention of the Catholic church used to intimidate and separate. The pulpit is a carnal accessory of man. I can keep going with the list if you like.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I guess since God is "bigger" than Saw, Texas Chainsaw Massacres, and the like we shouldn't be concerned about opening ourselves to that either.

God is greater than that evil Metallica, Megadeath, Marlilyn Manson and the such like, so whats the harm in that either.

I guess, anyway.


Have I now become the AFF ultra con???

Yes, you sound like an ultra-con. You are unable to see the difference between something blatantly ungodly and something that is obviously not. You're condemning everything that doesn't fit into your own little personal mold of right and wrong. If Rev. Badejo doesn't like it, it's bad.

Where is the line? Where YOU say it is? Is it ok to listen to pop-jazz in your car? If so, what's wrong with Paul McCartney's "Freedom" written the day after 9-11? And don't go into the KIND OF PERSON McCartney is. If you do, I'll start spilling the beans on a BUNCH of Christian artists you dance and shout to on Sundays.