Race Card Anyone

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

I took a long time to respond because after work I had to prepare for Hurrican Earl...

Sorry folks, we just see things and interpret facts differently...I believe due to our experiences. I don't for a second believe that we minorities that make up 25% of the pop. commit the majority of the crimes to make up 63% of the prison population. (US Census) I don't believe the US justice system prosecutes equally.

I'm not white, republican, nor conservative, so I'll disagree with the majority of the AFF posters political views.

So I've been dismantled & called a race baiter, lol!!! I've been called a lot worse...dirty Mexican, spic, lazy Mexican, wetback, lazy _____ Mexican, many times...too many to count...ur words cannot hurt me or make me see your points of view. I know racism exists in every facet of the United States population including the church. If I had a nick for every time a Christian has said a racial joke to me thinking that I would laugh with them I would be a rich man. I just walk away sad...knowing that nothing will EVER change. Racism is SO rampat it is alarming...I recall the teacher telling my brother that he HAD to take mechanics & wood shop instead of the higher classes so he could get a job more according to his kind...causing my Dad to drive up from LA demanding to see the top dog and the result was my bro graduating from Yale, Duke, and now a prof @ U of Michigan. I can recall taking a pair of shoes into a cobbler to be told that he didn't do that kind of work...only to do it for my wife 2 hours later when she took them in. I can recall the cop pulling his gun on me for no reason. I can recall all 15 minority kids of our choir having to stay in one house while all the white kids went 2 by 2 to other homes. To me, it's always about race, I've experienced bigotry to many times not to form my opinion. Do I hate? No not ever, my Christ suffered much more than I have because of my color...you will never understand where I come from, don't even try, just don't try to make me think like you...

There are as many if not more white people committing crimes...it is just easier to get locked up if you're Black or Latino...it's just the way it is.

MM - WOW - you're really a lot more prejudiced and racist than I thought. Yes, I said prejudiced and racist - against whites. I am amazed ..

I also recall some "white" young men that attended the same school you did, being held at gunpoint - for no reason. And you've gotta admit, whites are definitely the minority race in your hometown. And I've known some white young people that were counseled to attend vo-tech schools - they were from "Okieville" and the counselors thought they were better suited for manual, blue collar work.

But, I love ya, man!

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

MM - WOW - you're really a lot more prejudiced and racist than I thought. Yes, I said prejudiced and racist - against whites. I am amazed ..

No he's not. I take exception to that. Disagree with him if you like, but don't call him a racist. Walk in his shoes, get called and labeled the things he's had to listen to and until then, can it.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

No he's not. I take exception to that. Disagree with him if you like, but don't call him a racist. Walk in his shoes, get called and labeled the things he's had to listen to and until then, can it.

ditttttttooooooooo

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

No he's not. I take exception to that. Disagree with him if you like, but don't call him a racist. Walk in his shoes, get called and labeled the things he's had to listen to and until then, can it.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

ditttttttooooooooo

You have no idea what I may have been through.

But excuse me, don't you think it is possible for someone other than whites to be racist?

If you really knew me, you would know that I am NOT racist, NOT prejudiced against anyone of any color. But I get tired of people (ANY race) constantly blaming things on race and color ! Personally, I think Martin Luther King would be appalled at the way the race card is used.

JMHO - I'm out of here! Love you, MM!

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

You have no idea what I may have been through.

But excuse me, don't you think it is possible for someone other than whites to be racist?

If you really knew me, you would know that I am NOT racist, NOT prejudiced against anyone of any color. But I get tired of people (ANY race) constantly blaming things on race and color ! Personally, I think Martin Luther King would be appalled at the way the race card is used.

JMHO - I'm out of here! Love you, MM!

Then tell us....have you been called the racial epitaphs that MM has been? You say I don't know you. Sounds like you may know MM, but do you realky know him well enough to tag him a "Racists"? It seems you labeled him with that based solely on what he said here. I don't think that's fair. At all. MM is NOT a racists based on what he wrote here. Not even close.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Then tell us....have you been called the racial epitaphs that MM has been? You say I don't know you. Sounds like you may know MM, but do you realky know him well enough to tag him a "Racists"? It seems you labeled him with that based solely on what he said here. I don't think that's fair. At all. MM is NOT a racists based on what he wrote here. Not even close.

Yes, I know MM. No, I have not been called all the names he mentioned, but I have been discriminated against for other reasons. I would have never thought of him as "racist" before (although I know him well enough to know that sometimes it seemed that he had a chip on his shoulder regarding some things.) Ok, so, I will retract my "racist" remark, but I still think that he is making some pretty broadbrush remarks and is somewhat prejudicial in this thinking.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Yes, I know MM. No, I have not been called all the names he mentioned, but I have been discriminated against for other reasons. I would have never thought of him as "racist" before (although I know him well enough to know that sometimes it seemed that he had a chip on his shoulder regarding some things.) Ok, so, I will retract my "racist" remark, but I still think that he is making some pretty broadbrush remarks and is somewhat prejudicial in this thinking.

Thank you.

He's passionate about what he believes. That's ok. And it's ok for someone to disagree. Maybe his conclusions are right and maybe not. But he does ask some good questions.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Then tell us....have you been called the racial epitaphs that MM has been? You say I don't know you. Sounds like you may know MM, but do you realky know him well enough to tag him a "Racists"? It seems you labeled him with that based solely on what he said here. I don't think that's fair. At all. MM is NOT a racists based on what he wrote here. Not even close.

Mr. Smith, why is it racist for me to determine how a group of minorities in SE DC are going to act based on their race and location, but it is not racist for a minority to label an entire society as racist based on the acts of a few? Both are judging an entire race of people based on how some have acted.

Why are attitudes of minorities excused because they have been called names but the white guy that has been jumped by a minority group should never have a bad word to say about a group of minorities walking down the sidewalk towards him?

Does racism exist? Yes.

Are minorities discriminated against? Yes.

I am discriminated against often and where I live I am the minority.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Mr. Smith, why is it racist for me to determine how a group of minorities in SE DC are going to act based on their race and location, but it is not racist for a minority to label an entire society as racist based on the acts of a few? Both are judging an entire race of people based on how some have acted.

Response: I don't think it is possible to determine how someone is going to act based on their race. I think there may be increased possibilities, but not absolutes.

Second, the bolded part, I don't think it's a few and therein lies a large part of the problem. It is impossible for me to definitively do an exhaustive research on this issue (percentage of racist, white America), and I believe, impossible for anyone to because very few would admit to it, but I have two resources for believing it's still a HUGE problem, not just a small problem of a few: 1) What I hear myself from casual conversation; and 2) The stories I hear from balanced, well-rounded people who fall into a so-called "Minority" class.

Why are attitudes of minorities excused because they have been called names but the white guy that has been jumped by a minority group should never have a bad word to say about a group of minorities walking down the sidewalk towards him?

Response: I'm not personally excusing it but I am trying to understand it. I don't believe racism is justified on either side, but until I have experienced the brunt of being slighted repeatedly, refused positions, called names, and disenfranchised by establishments and people in power, strictly because of my race, I don't feel like I'm in the position to fully understand.

Question: The "White guy" who was "Jumped" by the "minorities"....was he jumped by them strictly because he was white or because they wanted to jump someone? I think there's a difference.

Does racism exist? Yes.

Response: I believe it more than just "Exists." It's still prevalent. It's much more frowned upon and no longer out in the open as it was, but hearts didn't suddenly change in the last 40 years.

Are minorities discriminated against? Yes.

I am discriminated against often and where I live I am the minority.

I don't doubt it. But have you been denied a job, a career, an education, advancement, or opportunity, because of your race?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Mr. Smith, why is it racist for me to determine how a group of minorities in SE DC are going to act based on their race and location, but it is not racist for a minority to label an entire society as racist based on the acts of a few? Both are judging an entire race of people based on how some have acted.

Why are attitudes of minorities excused because they have been called names but the white guy that has been jumped by a minority group should never have a bad word to say about a group of minorities walking down the sidewalk towards him?

Does racism exist? Yes.

Are minorities discriminated against? Yes.

I am discriminated against often and where I live I am the minority.

By the way, based strictly on the merits that the NFL has to judge on, I don't think Ben Rothlisschugerheisen should have been suspended at all. Not only has he not been convicted of anything, he hasn't even been charged with anything. He was suspended because he was accused. That's a dangerous trend in my opinion.